04-10-2024 3:27 PM
eBay has long been a popular platform for both casual and professional sellers, allowing individuals to turn their clutter into cash and businesses to reach a broader audience. Recently, eBay announced a no-fee policy for private sellers, a move that many view as a strategic effort to attract more casual users to the platform. However, while this may seem like a boon for private sellers, it could have dire consequences for business sellers who still bear the full burden of fees and subscription costs.
For private sellers, the elimination of fees represents an exciting opportunity. It lowers the barrier to entry, allowing anyone with a few items to sell to start turning a profit without worrying about upfront costs. This could encourage more people to try selling on eBay, leading to an influx of new listings and potentially more buyers on the platform.
While this sounds positive, the reality is more nuanced.
Business sellers, those who rely on eBay as a significant revenue source, still face the full suite of fees, including listing fees, final value fees, and often, subscription fees for a shop account. These costs can quickly add up, squeezing profit margins and making it challenging for them to compete.
With the no-fee model attracting more casual sellers—many of whom may be pricing their items to move quickly, perhaps even undercutting established business sellers—competition becomes fiercer. Private sellers often lack the overhead that businesses manage, enabling them to offer lower prices without the same pressure to maintain a sustainable profit margin.
As more private sellers flood the market with no fees, the likelihood of price undercutting increases. For example, if a private seller lists a similar item for a significantly lower price—say, due to a lack of associated costs—business sellers might find themselves compelled to lower their prices to remain competitive. This creates a race to the bottom, ultimately eroding profit margins and threatening the viability of businesses that have invested in inventory, branding, and customer service.
Another aspect of this dynamic is quality. Business sellers often invest time and resources into providing excellent customer service, high-quality listings, and reliable shipping. While casual sellers may not always prioritize these elements, buyers may begin to favor the lowest price over service quality. This shift could diminish the overall customer experience on eBay, pushing buyers away from the platform in the long run.
The introduction of a no-fee model for private sellers may seem beneficial for boosting engagement and activity on eBay in the short term. However, in the long run, it threatens to create a less sustainable ecosystem for business sellers. If these sellers can no longer make a living from their eBay operations due to increased competition and diminished margins, we could see a significant drop in the quality and variety of products available.
In the worst-case scenario, some business sellers may be forced to leave the platform altogether, which could ultimately drive buyers away as well. The loss of trusted sellers and quality products could tarnish eBay’s reputation, leading to a diminished user base and reduced overall transactions.
04-10-2024 3:34 PM - edited 04-10-2024 3:35 PM
Hi
To be honest......any genuine private seller should not be looking at making "a profit"
In theory this sounds good from Ebay......in practice i honestly think it will not turn out that way.
Yes as a genuine private seller i will get more from any sales.......but 100% i will not be buying more on the site. Those who are financially strapped i think will just put the extra money towards their gas and electricity bills especially if they are older and have lost the £300 help payment.
IF a buyers premium is also introduced.........that will make a bad situation even worse
04-10-2024 3:37 PM - edited 04-10-2024 3:39 PM
This new fee set up isn't going to work, business sellers will just get fed up competing with people who can sell for 15 - 30% less.
There is no motivation to operate a legitimate business here now.
The horse has bolted and by the time Ebay sees the results many of the people who actually keep Ebay UK profitable will have left the platform.
04-10-2024 3:55 PM
I think Ebay should have just gone for 5% final value fees across the board for both private and business sellers, they would have made lots more from things like promoted listings etc.
In the end I think the only answer will be free final value fees across the board, business sellers who want to compete and dominate could just pay higher and higher promoted listing fees.
You cannot have a two tier system like this, it will just alienate a massive section of users.
04-10-2024 8:12 PM
Business sellers would feel better if ebay stepped up its dealing with business sellers on private accounts, ending the roll over of unsold items each month, with a 300 free monthly listing allowance (which is about on a par with a basic business shop) and no variations.
04-10-2024 8:31 PM
To me it seems eBay had a few options
Each option would have pro's and cons but each one would need additional work bar carry on as normal, with the private accounts getting free listing they needed a solid reporting system (broken already) and clear guidelines of what eBay see as a business (they dont). If you give business accounts free listing you would need to make sure if a business drops before a certain level of seller satisfaction they are then charged just to stop bad selling practises, the drop of charges for everyone would still mean you need to clear the site of bad sellers and businesses to accepting returns but all those would make the site better. It seems to me they've taken a short term approach hoping the spike is high enough that enough stick around, but if sellers get annoyed and the bad timing of VintedPro launching it could well be a bullet to the foot.
I'd love them to release the stats that show the free listing on clothing has beat the targets yet eBay seem afraid to do that but will happily release figures for Germany which is a totally different market so cant compare the two. Time will tell if it a success but the PR short term within businesses is certainly not good, especially since the open event a few weeks ago they failed to mention any of this.
04-10-2024 8:52 PM
I'd love them to release the stats that show the free listing on clothing has beat the targets yet eBay seem afraid to do that
I saw a quote from one of the managers which basically said listings were up since clothing selling became free, but there was no mention of the effect on business sellers.
04-10-2024 8:54 PM
It has always annoyed me that Business sellers get no promotions on fees, discounts for good selling practices, even to get reduced fees as a power seller requires a level of effort which is not practial for people trying to make a honest living doing what they enjoy. where as private sellers got free listing and reduced fees once or twice a month and now for the forseable.
i have had to downgrade my shop back to basic this year as some months it was working out around 50% of total sales was fees.
i am happy to pay a shop subscription to have my own storfront, catagorys, and try and build a brand but with the decline of sales seen over the last 12 months and now this i cannot see a long term future with ebay.
like you said with the rise of vinted and vinted pro on the horizon i fear it may be downhill from here unless something is done to level the playing field again
04-10-2024 8:57 PM
Totally agree, as soon as i saw the fee change i instantly lost all motivation to contuine with my business on ebay.
hopefully the playing feild will be leveled soon but if not, i think this is the start of the end for ebay business sellers
04-10-2024 9:04 PM - edited 04-10-2024 9:05 PM
Business sellers on private accounts wouldnt be an issue if everyone had free listings.
to be honest if a private seller lists 300 items a month that is close to a full time job with listing, packing and posting,
i cannot understand how this is supposed to help ebay as a whole.
why not free listing for eveyone, 100 listings private, basic shop 300, feaure shop 1200, anchor shop unlimited.
04-10-2024 9:27 PM
Exactly, we've always known eBay has taken businesses for granted with very few if any promotions given to them but this really is proof if ever needed that every single word they say at the Open Event about wanting to help and caring for businesses really is a lie, the next i guess will be the buyer fee they plan to introduce. All I ask is for a fair and legal site that actually works, I honestly don't think thats a crazy request tbh.
04-10-2024 9:36 PM
Vote with your feet folks. That's what I've done today. Shop sub cancelled and all listings ended.
10 years and hundreds of thousands of pounds in fees paid to eBay.
05-10-2024 8:41 AM - edited 05-10-2024 8:43 AM
On the flip side Ebay UK have now created a situation where they are totally reliant on business sellers to keep the platform viable.
On the one hand I feel like we (business sellers) are being ripped off and not respected however Ebay have just made business sellers more powerful in terms of how their performance almost totally dictates the success or failure of the platform.
05-10-2024 8:58 AM
Dont think the private business sellers are going to last for very long as read this on the internet last night - is all over the internet from various city newspapers and also in the Sun - today is the day they have to register with HMRC or be fined
05-10-2024 9:07 AM
That's the most sensible comment on this thread.
Every other point is so obvious, that you are kidding yourselves if you think they haven't occurred to eBay. They will have gamed many potential situations, to work out which one will be of most benefit to them. That is their duty to their shareholders.
Business sellers who throw their toys out of the pram don't concern me. If anything, it reduces my competition. These will be few and far between, as genuine business sellers need to sell, and there still isn't anywhere else which will give you more than a fraction of the exposure you get on eBay.
The bigger businesses are already being "looked after" by eBay, with lower fees and various other concessions (e.g. "holding" photos), so they won't leave. The rest of us will carry on, as we always have, doing the best we can.
There have been signs that eBay is beginning to act on the private/business debacle, and the HMRC situation may help that (although it won't all happen on Jan 1). In addition, private sellers having a "wallet" on eBay will help sales, particularly when/if the economic situation improves. I know when I was only a private seller on eBay, my Paypal account was my "pin money" and was almost always used for purchases on eBay.)
While I am as resistant to change as anyone, I'm inclined to believe that eBay have thought this through, and once the initial harrumphing is out of the way, things will at least return to "normal", even if we don't immediately see the benefits.
05-10-2024 9:37 AM
Whilst I agree that eBay should/would have thought it through they have made many changes in the past that should have been thought through but clearly didnt work, just like any other business, mercari probably had many meetings regarding the buyers fee and thought it was a great idea but it wasnt. The people making the decisions are not the ones who sell on the site so whilst they may have all the data saying it will work, its no guarantee. What they could do is show their customers the data (which they claim) was way above targets for the free listing in clothing that shows it brought in new sellers who in turn bought from businesses, but instead they used data from Germany which is a whole different market so not really comparable.
I'm going to stick around as like you say nobody gives you the reach eBay does but its certainly made me look elsewhere too, I have multiples so I can list across different sites and try them all out. I just cant trust eBay as they have lied to us, made changes that clearly didnt work and wont release any suitable data that proves it will work. Trust is major on eBay and they lost a lot of mine due to forgetting to mention such a major move at the open event.
05-10-2024 9:49 AM
I regret closing down my Amazon selling account last year. However,I will not regret closing ebay down at Christmas.
06-10-2024 4:10 PM
This new fee set up isn't going to work, business sellers will just get fed up competing with people who can sell for 15 - 30% less.
There is no motivation to operate a legitimate business here now.
Exactly.
Hammer the business sellers, again.
My first thought was, I'll close my account/shop and open a couple of new clone shops as a private seller, save myself a fortune in fees. HMRC won't care as I'll still be submitting my accounts and paying tax.
I just won't be paying eBay a fortune in fees like I am now.
06-10-2024 5:46 PM - edited 06-10-2024 5:47 PM
@british-ceramics-and-paintings wrote:This new fee set up isn't going to work, business sellers will just get fed up competing with people who can sell for 15 - 30% less.
There is no motivation to operate a legitimate business here now.
The horse has bolted and by the time Ebay sees the results many of the people who actually keep Ebay UK profitable will have left the platform.
I think ebay will end up with a cycle of new "private seller" accounts selling multiples of those items with a much lower price than business sellers, who will sell a few 100 items then close/make dormant the account (a non-sanctioned account) and open new ones and keep the cycle going for ages, thus undercutting correctly registered businesses. As there is no limit to the number of accounts one person can have what incentive is there not to do this?
The paperwork for eBay and HMRC to keep chasing them around and collecting up all their accounts will increase too.
They could so this while being registered with HMRC for tax and doing tax returns etc., simply using free listings to get an advantage over correctly registered sellers paying fees.
06-10-2024 5:57 PM
Should be easy to catch most, just link IP addresses or physical address/bank accounts. Yes I could just open a new account each month and a new internet deal but thats extreme, issue is eBay would need to keep on top of it, they cant even have a working reporting system currently.