15-09-2025 1:01 PM
An item returned by a buyer was lost in the post, so ebay paid out a full refund. My associated held funds were released and an email from ebay included 'Your seller performance level won’t be affected, and any Feedback left for the transaction will be removed.'
Sadly the buyer left negative feedback, so I attempted to get ebay to remove it. They did remove the comment which was pointless as it also prevented me replying to the feedback.
The negative rating stayed and I have been told that ebay can no longer remove the feedback rating under any circumstances because of their policy. I am not a fan of ebay policy, as it seems to mainly support unreasonable and dishonest behaviour but a policy preventing negative feedback ratings removal under any circumstances seems unlikely. Can someone put me out of my misery and confirm that ebay in their wisdom are now unable to removed negative feedback ratings, regardless of the circumstances?
Thank you
15-09-2025 1:33 PM
@mx5bitz_uk wrote:They did remove the comment which was pointless as it also prevented me replying to the feedback.
The negative rating stayed and I have been told that ebay can no longer remove the feedback rating under any circumstances because of their policy. I am not a fan of ebay policy, as it seems to mainly support unreasonable and dishonest behaviour but a policy preventing negative feedback ratings removal under any circumstances seems unlikely. Can someone put me out of my misery and confirm that ebay in their wisdom are now unable to removed negative feedback ratings, regardless of the circumstances?
A new law - the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Act - came into force in January. Under that law it is illegal to manipulate online reviews - which includes eBay feedback - in most cases. The only time eBay can remove feedback is if eBay know with certainty that it is false, misleading or doesn't relate to the transaction (offensive language can be removed).
eBay updated their feedback policy last year to reflect the changes in the new law.
15-09-2025 1:45 PM
they can , remove negative/neutral feedback or just the comment, however you cannot appeal the feedback twice
15-09-2025 3:04 PM
That text is very similar to that in the message for Simple Delivery items lost / damaged in post.
There's nothing you need to do. This item is covered by eBay Money Back Guarantee, so we've issued the buyer a refund of £[amount]. You aren’t required to reimburse eBay, and your seller performance level won't be affected.
It doesn’t mention removing feedback in the message, but it does on the Simple Delivery information page. (Plus your seller performance level would be affected if they left negative feedback – so that statement should cover it.)
With those lost in transit, it is obviously unfair to let the buyer leave negative feedback for the seller, as the buyer never even had the item, and the seller was not responsible for losing the parcel. (For damaged items the seller's responsibility could be less clear.)
In your situation, the parcel was lost for a return – so why would eBay promise to remove any negative feedback anyway? The buyer obviously had an issue that they had to return it. I’m not having a dig, but, surely if anything, what seems incorrect is eBay promising to remove negative feedback in the first place.
15-09-2025 3:54 PM
Thank you for your thought out reply, it is appreciated.
I was just trying to establish that ebay can no longer remove feedback ratings under any circumstances. A kind private message has established that to be incorrect.
You need assurance as to why a 61 year old private seller, ebay account held for 23+ years, wrongly forced to change to a business account, has to justify himself against feedback abuse from a private seller, really a legitimate business when ebay themselves agree to remove such feedback, well you asked for it:-)
The return was presumably through simple delivery, so the terms must work both ways, hence the email and I have had several similar recently.
This buyer and to be accurate, as well as a business seller charading as a private seller, he is selfish, ungrateful, dishonest and ungrateful, a typical 20 something who thinks the world revolves around him and his requirements; I do not subscribe!
He bought an electrical car part off me that had been cleaned, refurbished and tested, sold with a guarantee. The first I heard from him was a premature case raised where delivery was not exactly on the date suggested, Royal Mail failure of course as despatched at the earliest opportunity. He obviously has an issue with his MX5 sportscar and I know these cars well, so take the opportunity to call and speak about the actual issue he is struggling with. He has been chasing a supposed electrical issue for some time and this part is at the end of his list having spent considerable money and time pursuing. I have an advisory service that is chargeable and sold on ebay but as a buyer of my part, this is free, so I immediately conclude that as the car runs, this is a fuelling issue, not electrical. Further, when this person explains that various parts have been removed/decommissioned, pinpoint the cause of his problem, down to the exact location.
He insists on fitting my part when it arrives the next day, along with the new seal supplied ,no doubt, although later suggesting that he did not use my seal:-) Anyway it made no difference, proving my point, so the worthless cretin thinks it is fine to just return my part for a full refund and ebay facilitate that with open arms. It is returned as not required for a full refund but obviously postage paid and the part has been fitted and used so I suggest that the return process was abused? I would need to clean the part, replace the used seal and go through the onerous process of fitting to a car and successfully testing, to then relist. I did tell this buyer that postage out and retesting would be deducted from his refund; he objected and that is where I believe, the negative feedback arises. Disturbingly he also does not accept that my MX5 Advisory Service, now payable, was not part of the eventual solution of his problem; a more spoilt and deluded person will hopefully be hard to find:-)
Anyway the part was lost in the process of return, ebay refunded this ebayer in full and the rest is history, thank you for listening.
15-09-2025 6:04 PM
I am completely on your side in regards to private sellers being forced to register as businesses, just because it was deemed they were, without any actual evidence.
But that is off topic.
You also don’t have to explain / give example of bad buyers. I’ve seen them myself over the years. And even if I hadn’t, reading these forums provides enough examples.
But this is a slightly separate issue. Again, you only have to look at some topics on here to see examples of cases where eBay have clearly got feedback removal cases wrong (and that’s on both sides – not removing it when they should have really, and removing it when they shouldn’t).
I think the message you received (“any Feedback left for the transaction will be removed”) was misleading, and has caused the confusion in this topic. My point was that eBay should not have promised to remove feedback for the transaction, just because their returns procedure was used. And I don’t think it was intended to be that way.
Based on what you have said, it does sound like they were a difficult buyer, and so any negative feedback was unjust. But that is something that all sellers (private or business) face. And I can’t see any easy solution.
If you want to sell online then you have to have thick skin. That is becoming more necessary as more power is going to buyers (and more parcels are being delayed, or lost or damaged in transit).
15-09-2025 8:48 PM
Leaving a negative comment under a positive rating may earn you another defect if buyer were to apply for it's removal.
16-09-2025 6:49 PM
Thank you for the replies; there have obviously been some big changes to feedback this year. As RROAN mentioned in the previous post, it is now not possible to address poor buyer behaviour through comments on positive feedback, I did try; it was removed and I was warned. How is that supposed to work when it is not possible to leave negative or neutral feedback for a buyer?
I assume ebay's definition of a business has not changed and that is someone who buys or manufactures to sell? I definitely do not fit that profile at all but there are a lot that do on ebay that are trading under a private account. Whilst I do not begrudge them, it is obvious from this experience that ebay do not take any action when such an account is reported.
Porte2425 comment about needing a thick skin to sell online is very accurate and it needs to get thicker by the day. Sadly, even though my nickname was Rhino, I do not have a thick skin and find the significant and progressive erosion of values, brought about or at least facilitated by ebay, distressing. Has anyone else noticed how a lot of these younger buyers can't even be bothered to leave positive feedback any more; I am getting an amount of ebay auto feedback nowadays; another of ebay's ways of insulating the ungrateful, I suppose. Leaving feedback is an important part of the process and a consistent failure to leave feedback is a good indicator of poor character in my experience; ebay care about it enough to leave auto feedback; they should really do more.
Ebay seem to be acting as a rather unsatisfactory parent to these people with all the special needs included; not of course desirable when people with values are suffering as a direct result and clearly paying for that privilege.
Sadly ebay's position is insurmountable but there is some evidence that not everyone is happy on trustpilot, where 81% of the 20000+ reviews are the lowest one star.
16-09-2025 7:29 PM
You are, from what I can gather from your listing (at least some of them) offering a service to repair circuit boards and the like.
this is in effect making something to sell and you absolutely should be a business seller.
16-09-2025 8:23 PM
'You are, from what I can gather from your listing (at least some of them) offering a service to repair circuit boards and the like.
this is in effect making something to sell and you absolutely should be a business seller.'
In my opinion you are wrong. I am in a very small way repairing and refurbishing, I am not buying to sell or manufacturing an item to sell as per ebay's definition of a business. I am also selling a lot of items but they are have all been in my possession for between five and at least fifteen years.
Repairing/refurbishing may generally be businesslike activity but it's not ebay's definition or at least it wasn't; perhaps that has changed too?
Anyway you miss the point as ebay are allowing many sellers who are businesses in their terms as well as yours to operate private accounts. I am already nailed as a business with the extra costs and vulnerability to unreasonable and dishonest buyers without any associated protection.
The buyer I have issue with is selling high priced new gaming computers with a guarantee and has been for years. Because he is a private seller, his buyers are not afforded the consumer rights they really do deserve with such products; Ebay will not acknowledge that this person is a business, proving they are, in this respect, not fit for purpose.
16-09-2025 8:47 PM
I imagine you would disagree.
ebays definition is actually the below. I've bolded the words that mean everything after it is not an exhaustive list of what makes someone a business. Not that ebay care of course as you've pointed out. I'm not sure why you were forced to become a business account - there are definitely more obvious targets!
"An eBay seller must register as a business if, for example, they sell items they have bought to resell, they make items in order to sell them, or if they buy items for their business."
Now - if you look on gov.uk https://www.gov.uk/working-for-yourself
You need to set up a business if you ‘trade’ in goods or services. You’re likely to be trading if you:
I agree on the point you state I missed. There are of course lots of sellers on ebay who should be on business accounts.
16-09-2025 9:03 PM - edited 16-09-2025 9:03 PM
I’m not sure what service @jonatjonatjonat is referring to. But...
In the broader sense (i.e. doesn’t have to be related to selling goods), offering a service for money is trading.
Agreeing to cut your neighbours hedge for a fiver is still trading. It is a “side hustle”.
You just wouldn’t need to tell HMRC if the total of all your trading within a year were within the permitted allowance (currently still £1000, I believe).
Offering services for sale on eBay is technically, therefore, always trading, and so anyone doing this should be listed as a business seller. eBay seem to ignore this fact though, as there are a plethora of private sellers openly offering services (like 3d printing).
Choosing to strip a car you own for parts and selling them individually, and getting back, say £500, instead of selling the whole thing for scrap for £20 does not make you a business. Even repairing any parts before selling them doesn’t either. Offering any paid service along with that, does – technically, anyway.
16-09-2025 10:08 PM
the biggest and greediest business is ebay but according to their own criteria, they are not a business which may be their excuse for the erstwhile avoidance of paying UK tax.
Ironic isn't it that ebay are now assisting HMRC by reporting on most sellers, private or business on its platform.
Ebay makes money from items bought and sold, hence the criteria for its judging a business; purely selfish. I pay ebay around £36 a month and approximately 13% in fees on what I sell, including postage. No surprise the criteria are somewhat different to government guidelines for what is a business. It's an emotive argument with a lot of people caught up in the politics of that money making business seller deserves a caning but the truth is different. Ebay's priority is to make ebay money although given the incompetent way it is being handled, this could easily be missed on analysis.
Private sellers have been shafted too as the buyer protection now charged has I imagine, largely been absorbed by sellers, who lower their prices to remain competitive. Buyers were always covered anyway and it should be their choice, if they want to subscribe to extra buyer protection and at their cost. Ebay want the idea of free selling for private sellers to remain but it is clear that buyer protection is an ebay fee, generally paid for by sellers, one way or another, so it is not free; a lot cheaper and free of the hobbling policies applied to so called business sellers though.
16-09-2025 10:11 PM - edited 16-09-2025 10:13 PM
Ebays stance is :- https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/selling-policies/business-seller-policy?id=4710
It makes no difference if you make a profit ot not.
Many people start a business and run at a loss for years ,some progress ,some don't.
16-09-2025 10:35 PM - edited 16-09-2025 10:39 PM
I’m not looking to defend eBay. Or any big business for that matter. (I generally think most are amoral, and quite often get away with illegal activities smaller businesses would never be able to, or never even do in the first place.) But it is a legal requirement for online platforms such as eBay to report sales to HMRC when thresholds (set out by the government) are reached.
From what some others have said – I have no data to offer personally – eBay only usually force privates to change to business accounts if they get pushed by HMRC. Based on the state of the problem, I would guess that is the case.
It would make much more sense to do away with different fees for business vs private accounts. Business vs private accounts would therefore just be about legal requirements, that’s it.
Low sales / new sellers should get fee discounts. Most sellers should get standard fees; with the option of buying a subscription. High volume / performance sellers should be treated to discounts. Simple. Advertising and all extra services, plus new things like managed shipments would still be other revenue streams (for eBay).
16-09-2025 10:54 PM
i have no idea what the point is there.
Though - given your response to negative feedback left by someone from The Netherlands recently...your methods of doing business are interesting to say the least.
16-09-2025 11:24 PM
Judging that out of context is probably not reasonable in the same way as I am trying not to judge you by your posting on this thread:-)
If you want to appraise me look at some of my other feedback, not just the other negative, and from memory that is the two that have occurred on this 18 year old account, both as it happens since the account was changed to business.
16-09-2025 11:33 PM
Agree with most of what you say but there is no possibility of HMRC being involved with private ebay account changed to business. Ebay have done that all on their own probably starting with turnover assessment.
Why should ebay charge a business higher fees than private? Proper business already pays taxes, absorbs overheads, etc. Proper business by definition is more accountable than a private individual.
What extra expenses are incurred by ebay in supporting a business seller?
My opinion is that a standard fee on items sold price, not actual postage cost, of 5 - 8% for all sellers is fair.