GPSR clarification please

[rclark8449]

So we really need some help here , from what i have read on the subject selling vintage and second hand goods into europe after december will be all but impossible , its ok if you sell antiques over 100 years old but the entire collectors market except for stamps and coins looks to be over , theres millions of sellers here that use sales sites like ebay to sell there goods , theres no exceptions here you need to give information that whilst easy on modern product are going to be impossible on vintage items where the companys are long defunct , And this nominating a responsable party is going to be to expensive and unworkable for multi item listings , This GPSR is fine if you produce new items or are in the distibution part of the trail but for vintage and second hand sellers which Ebay was founded on Europe and Ni will be forbidden territorys , i have been selling worldwide on ebay since there was only .com and no country sites this for my buisness and every one in the vintage will be a massive step backwards , there needs to be some concrete answers on here on how to move forward , simply blocking EU and Ni is not that answer 

[4_bathrooms]

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@hilarysbiz wrote:

are you sure? ebay guidance says:

'Which products do the regulations and guidelines apply to?

They apply to a wide range of products which are required to bear CE marking.'

https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/selling/selling/CE-mark-EU?id=5225

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That page is concerned with CE marking (which is separate to the General Product Safety Regulations). The page with GPSR-specific information is here.

[hilarysbiz]

Oh no -  my ebay shop's mainly hand made Moroccan items. So that sounds like it counts me out of future EU/NI sales .........

Etsy where I sell similar Moroccan handmade goods has not said anything about this yet that I'm aware of?!

[555njp]

You need to google “GPSR ETSY UK” and you’ll find Etsy’s stance, which is actually firmer than eBay’s for non-compliant listings.
Etsy say they will restrict, then close accounts should they receive concerns from the EU regarding compliance.

Ultimately it will be the seller and not the platform that will be held responsible, but I have also seen that some platforms do not have the means to segregate NI or even EU from shipping destinations so the only option would be stop selling completely or comply in full!

Yes, it’s total madness.

[midlandrailway]

On 13th September I spoke to someone from Ebay customer services in Berlin who stated categorically that books do not have to comply.

[555njp]

I don’t think eBay are fully briefed on what does and does not need to comply to be honest.

I guess you’ll see if the books listing category has the GPSR fields available?

I would also guess that if the category has those fields which subsequently are not populated correctly by the seller that those listings will be hidden?

For me, eBay stopped me listing in home and garden (garden equipment spares) until I complied. This was a few months ago now.

I don’t sell to the EU so NI was the problem. The only way around it for me was to remove NI and EU completely as I’m not fishing out tons of hard to find and frankly useless information, or paying a responsible EU rep.

[jonat_broad]

They categorically gave you the wrong answer.

[hilarysbiz]

Thanks for this reply ! great help.

I do sell a few over 100 years old antiques. But I don't see where to click
to make products exempt ? Hoping you know.

[4_bathrooms]

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@555njp wrote:

I don’t think eBay are fully briefed on what does and does not need to comply to be honest.

I guess you’ll see if the books listing category has the GPSR fields available?

I would also guess that if the category has those fields which subsequently are not populated correctly by the seller that those listings will be hidden?

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eBay have a list of excluded categories on their GPSR page with a link to download a more detailed spreadsheet:

[4_bathrooms]

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@hilarysbiz wrote:

I do sell a few over 100 years old antiques. But I don't see where to click
to make products exempt ? Hoping you know.

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If the item is listed as an antique the item specifics should include a field for "Age" or "Year". 

[pillarboxred]

I think the UK market is large enough to absorb most collectables offerings unless very country specific like US sports trading cards.

[midlandrailway]

I list all my books in collectables because listing in books takes an absolute age. Interestingly a couple of months ago when I listed all the EU guff came up and I just ignored it, it has now disapeared from my listings but there is a note at the bottom of my listings saying they comply with the EU !. I have now put a note on all my listings saying England, Scoltalnd & Wales only and I have removed GSP from all my listings. Quite honestly I don't really stand to lose much just the odd USA sale.

[rclark8449]

So only a day to go , how many of you have decided to do nothing hands up ?, if you read annex IX of the vat directive it gives little hope and fewer get out of jail free cards then a game of monopoly at the inlaws christmas party, However on ebays FAQ for this 

What if I sell second-hand items and don’t have information about the product manufacturer?

it says 

 Article 51 of the GPSR states that EU nations shouldn’t ‘impede’ the sale of any product that was first supplied for distribution, consumption, or use on the EU market before 13 December 2024, provided that product is covered by and complies with the General Product Safety Directive (2001/95/EG). and also it says  

For example, if you’re selling a used item that complies with the directive and was placed on the EU or Northern Ireland market before 13 December 2024, you won’t need to provide GPSR-related information in the listing (for example, manufacturer information).

Now we all know there's no point in phoning the help line or using the chat service provided , they wont know and this is the only positive point i have seen that could be clung too , will they hide our vintage items ? , will the customs grab them ? and fine us ,I don't have the answers people , and no one else seems to either, people think it starts on the 13 dec but actually the "transition period " of a year ends on that date , its not really meant for us , its meant for new goods and safety from far eastern badness , but we the foundation of what ebay has become will most likely be collateral damage , me i have been here since 1998 and i shall just keep going till i am told to stop , its not fun and its not clever and its making if very difficult to work when you dont know if you'll still be able to sell to these markets , So good luck to all and hope to still be seeing you in the new year! 

[midlandrailway]

Last week I put England Scotland and Wales only on all my listings and lo and behold somebody in Northern Ireland bought a book. It was only £5.99 so I duly posted it and interpol have not knocked on my door YET !

[nevillestyke]

I've only attempted to comply with all the requirements of GPSR on one listing and I'll contact my sister in France to see if other listings from me are visible. I did post an order today to Italy, for an AV cable which did not have any GPSR information in the listing, so that seemed to be o.k. As I read the GPSR, any items which were already on sale in Europe when they introduced regulations way back (2007?), and which complied then are 'grandfathered' in when sold second hand: I am no expert.

[nevillestyke]

It could be coincidence but the one electronic item which I have sold over Xmas (albeit to a U.K. address), out of forty items listed, was the one which I attempted to comply with all the requirements of GPSR on. I'll relist it at a ridiculous price and see if my sister, in France, can view it any more easily than my non-compliant listings on ebay.

[nevillestyke]

Seems like my listings are available to the EU without any additional GPSR information; I've just had an order from one such listing from Norway, for a camcorder.

[hilarysbiz]

maybe it was listed before 13.12.24 ?

[nevillestyke]

Yes, it was listed on the 8th December. I'll do some new ones and see if they appear.

[nevillestyke]

I've just sold a  camcorder to Eire, which had no GSPR information added to the listing, which was listed only last week. My sister in France can see all my listings which have no GSPR information on them.

[nevillestyke]

Or rather no GPSR information.