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This is as clear as mud to me. Been to the gov. advice website and various others.
How does a 1972 poster fit in to this process?

It's not an exempt category. 


Advise buyers this item is for viewing only ? 

My initial reaction, sadly, to to switch EU and NI off. 
Jo

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I’m on the river as well. You literally cannot turn off Northern Ireland on there as comes up please re-add NI  in red letters. I’ve knocked I think the rest of the EU which was easy. 
Nit so easy here on eBay as noticed I have 72 different postal services. And can’t get into it on a iPad 

 

 

“What we’ve got here is failure to communicate.”
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Just been on to depop - nothing about GPSR on there at all. Went on to Reddit, apparently the information about GPSR is only for the top rated sellers forum, which I’m not and didn’t even know there was a forum.

“What we’ve got here is failure to communicate.”
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I've stopped NI and EU on eBay and EU on Amazon. As you say, it's not possible to stop NI on Amazon so I don't know what we're expected to do there. Amazon themselves don't seem to be making any fuss about though.

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Blocking over seas sales seems the sensible avenue in the absence of clarity and help from ebay. 

My set sale platform have been pro-active in this matter  and as such im attempting to sell over seas on that deserving outlet.

One thing which is puzzling (after the comments ive seen on the major online platform too), why was NI shown as separate to the rest of The UK  on ebay ?

Can i block sales to Wales or Scotland, i wont ask about the Channel Islands.

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Has anyone tried using the ebay suggested Webinterpret service to get compliance??

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Webinterpret service

 

Is it a free service ?

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A google of webinterpret and the platform that provides it indicates there is a free variant.

Though it won't translate any safety documents you upload.

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Does anyone know exactly when we should be turning off EU and NI for anything that we don't have the information to be compliant?

 

Do we turn it off on December 12th and because its already been purchased it will be fine going through customs even if it takes until say the 15th to get there, or should we be turning them off now so that anything that does cross the border does so before the date it comes into effect?

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I will be switching EU off. Not sure how to switch NI off, unless ebay start to include NI in the list of foreign countries.

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I can switch off selling to foreign / international countries, but how do we switch off NI if it is not in the list of foreign countries ?

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It’s in domestic shipping options….

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how do you switch off NI ?  Have ebay made it a foreign country now ?

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@carogojo wrote:

how do you switch off NI ?  Have ebay made it a foreign country now ?


Click on domestic shipping (business policies, postage, countries I do not ship to) and Northern Ireland is one of the options. Tick the box, save and you’re done.

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Hi hopefully the following may help everyone. 

Webgate.ec.europa.eu

The founder of this company has posted on the small business UK subreddit and is answering questions from business owners.

I asked about products brought to market, and also the need for second hand items to have the required information.

He linked me the above page and also replied this:

"The directive has 2 definitions that you are interested in. Basically, one is importing an item to the EU and selling it there, and the other is selling it in the EU.

 

 

 

*(6) 'making available on the market' means any supply of a product for distribution, consumption or use on the Union market in the course of a commercial activity, whether in return for payment or free of charge;*

 

*(7) 'placing on the market' means the first making available of a product on the Union market;*

 

 

 

As for the second hand items, please chech Q&A as there is question "Question: How does the GPSR apply to second-hand products?" [https://webgate.ec.europa.eu/safety/consumers/consumers\_safety\_gate/obligationsForBusinesses/documents/Q&A.pdf](https://webgate.ec.europa.eu/safety/consumers/consumers_safety_gate/obligationsForBusinesses/documen...)

 

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*Answer: The GPSR applies to all products placed on the EU Single Market, whether new, used or repaired. The only exception is products clearly marked as to be repaired or reconditioned as well as antiques. The GPSR also covers second-hand products, which as new products were initially covered by union harmonisation legislation.*

 

*The requirements differ, similarly to new products, depending on who sells the product:*

 

*(1) If an economic operator or trader sells the second-hand product, they must ensure it complies with the GPSR.*

 

*(2) If a consumer sells the second-hand product, they have no specific obligations under the GPSR, unless they are considered to be an ‘economic operator’ or a trader who offers the product for sale via an online marketplace.*

 

*Second-hand products initially placed on the EU market as first hand product from 13 December 2024 will need to comply with the requirements laid down in the GPSR: distributors must verify that the manufacturer or the importer complied with certain specific requirements of the GPSR on traceability and labelling before making a product available on the EU market; and ensure that they do not jeopardise the safety of the product during storage or transport. Products that were already placed on the EU market before 13 December 2024 can remain on the market with no new requirements linked to labelling, including for resale as second hand after that date, provided that they complied with the GPSD.*

 

"

 

I think that's the most accurate answer anyone can give you, as it comes from the EU commission. 

 

As for the console question, it looks like you are selling something already imported, thus complying with regulations. That would make you a distributor, I guess. All you have to do is verify that the manufacturer and, where applicable, the importer have complied with the requirements. Take good care of the product while it is in your possession, and eventual ly report if it is not safe."

 

So I think we're good for current items? Placed on the market means, for the first time, so anything already available has already been 'PLACED' on the market.

 

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@phauto-parts wrote:

Does anyone know exactly when we should be turning off EU and NI for anything that we don't have the information to be compliant?

 


There is no need to turn anything off. Non-compliant listings will just not be shown in the EU and NI.

 

From https://www.ebay.co.uk/sellercentre/global-sales/general-product-safety-regulation

 

What if I don’t disable direct shipping to the EU and Northern Ireland, and don’t update my listings to comply with the GPSR?

If you don’t comply with the GPSR, your listings may not be visible to buyers in the EU and Northern Ireland.

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I cannot see any of those options. Can you clarify, please ?




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Be very careful with Ebay's mixed messages. This is direct from their latest selling announcement (4th December) on your "My Ebay" page.

 

"In the case of missing GPSR information for a specific listing, we may put the listing in question on hold, or restrict its visibility in the EU and/or Northern Ireland. However, there should not be GPSR-related action at an account level unless a relevant amount of listings are reported or a seller repeatedly violates requirements after suitable warnings."

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First I'd remove your personal details from that post.

You go to Postage Preferences and Exclude Postage Locations

Now we use Business Policies - so for us we need to go into every Business Policy, scroll to the bottom under Preferences and Exclude areas there.

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I watched/listed to the online event that the department for business and trade put on this morning.

 

A couple of points came up that I think are probably relevant here:

 

Firstly the understanding of "Article 51" on products that have been made available before 13th December.

The guidance on this, as far as I could understand was that if you are selling something that has serial numbers or batch numbers that can be traced back to that very item being available to the EU before the 13th then you can continue to sell it. Anything else has to be fully compliant with GPSR, even if it is the exact same type of product but from a batch made available after the 13th.

 

The other advice was basically to get an EU responsible person and write up a 'technical file' for each of your products. If you are selling second hand items and the original manufacturer is not available then you have to effectively become the manufacturer and be responsible for the safety of that item.

 

 

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If that is what was said in the presentation it only shows how vague the advice given was, or how when the gov says 'business' it always mean larger companies, even when referring to 'small'. The actual legislation document doesn't state what proof of when an item was placed on the market is needed in terms of serial / batch numbers etc, so there isn't a legal basis for that.  If a company selling 1000's of electrical's into the EU needed to prove it, then serial numbers / batch numbers are easy, but it's simply unworkable for items that don't have such things, & unworkable for every seller & business in every country worldwide. 

 

My thinking is that there is still some significant misunderstanding that hasn't been grasped or sorted out. If every single item has to have reams of instructions & serial number stickers attached, the EU would miss it's targets on reducing deforestation! The legislation makes some sense when thinking about industrial level trade, but other than that it is unworkable. 

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