E bikes and Baby toys for co.uk can only be sold by Business Sellers

[fatbobfan]

Selling e-bikes and baby toys on eBay.co.uk

We're getting in touch to let you know that we're updating our policy for selling e-bikes and their batteries, chargers, conversion kits, and baby toys on ebay.co.uk. To ensure that these products adhere to UK safety standards when sold on our marketplace, from 31 October 2024 only eligible business sellers will be able to list them for sale in the UK. The impacted products are as follows:

• •	E-bikes: This includes e-bikes and their batteries, chargers, and conversion kits. These products can only be sold by business sellers. Please note that used e-bike batteries will no longer be able to be sold on ebay.co.uk

• •	Baby toys: Items for the use of children under 36 months can only be sold by business sellers registered in the UK

In addition to the criteria above, you’ll need:

• •	An established history of active selling for at least 90 days, with 100 or more transactions and £1,000 or more in sales in the last 12 months

• •	A track record of delivering positive buying experiences, including an account that’s Above Standard or Top Rated

• •	To be compliant with all applicable laws, regulations, and eBay policies

• •	To have registered for eBay managed payments and verified your identity

• •	To provide great customer service, like delivering items on time

Anyone recall this type of thing happening in the past? 

[dave@ebay]

Morning @rainbowtrax 

I don't have anything more on this at the moment but Ill have a look into it. 

Thanks,

Dave

[millies_store]

I am replying for a close friend from another eBay site. Babies Toys. Very soon that private seller will no longer be able to sell BABIES TOYS that are second hand because she is a private seller. Will they be more "safer" for a baby if a business seller sells them? eBay will see thousands migrating to Vinted and the likes. Them East Europeans will be laughing all the way to the bank. What next with eBay? We already have certai figures of colour removed; fur coats removed which is okay for a high street antique shop to sell. It's like treading on eggshells as to what you can and can not list. A set of 3 kitchen knives removed from a private seller, but a business seller can sell them to anyone who wishes to stab someone. Give us all a break.

[offroad7400]

Hello and greetings from Australia.  Your news travels far.

eBay is simply responding to non sensical Government legislation drawn up to appease histerical minority groups who wish to wrap it's citizens in cotton wool to protect them.  Unfortunately, other western countries like Australia do the same over and over.

Yes,  lithium batteries catch fire. So do mattresses when people smoke in bed and incinerate themselves, but are cigarettes banned ?  More petrol powered vehicles catch fire than EV's on a daily basis but they are not banned either.

Of course there will be more lithium battery fires, it's simple mathematics.  However we never here about the huge benefits of eScooters and eBikes that are providing a solution to climate change.  It's a bit like gambling in reverse, you only hear about the wins ?

Sadly the draconian legislation that keeps us all 'safe' clogs western countries the most and already Australian governments are following the UK lead.

Nice day for a ride.

[dch2112011]

I suppose it depends on whether it was your baby who choked to death with an unregulated dangerous toy and whether your conscience would allow you to sleep at night having purchased the toy from an unregulated seller on the basis that you disagree with  'nonsensical government legislation drawn up to appease  hysterical minority groups' - although I would hardly describe parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, god parents, cousins of children as a hysterical minority group !

With regards to ebikes purchased from unregulated sellers  selling unregulated ebikes - would you really buy one of these knowingly because they are cheap and dangerous and you disagree with safety legislation - even if you purchased it for yourself and you had no regard for your own safety - surely you are not so callous and uncaring to disregard the safety of those around you ?

Why not go the whole hog and buy everything without regulation - How about radioactive food -  you might live ! -  What about buying an unregulated car with no brakes - you may stop safely or then again you might not !

Getting the point !

[danieledwardsmall]

I got the point you were desperate to pick holes in an argument.

None of these decrees will stop sellers peddling dangerous goods if there is a profit.  Consumer naïveté laid bare.

[bravergrace]

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@danieledwardsmall wrote:

I got the point you were desperate to pick holes in an argument.

None of these decrees will stop sellers peddling dangerous goods if there is a profit.  

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Equally, no decrees will stop burglars from raiding my house and clubbing me over the head if there is a profit to be had.  But I would still prefer the governemnt not to abolish the laws against burglary and murder.  

There is a situation over here which most of the population regard as a problem, though some would agree with you that it isn't a problem at all.  This resurfaces every Christmas, when families spend lots of money on Christmas decorations, toys and electrical equipment.  

The problem is that lots of sellers, as you say, won't be deterred by the laws against selling exploding fairy lights, children's hand-decorated dummies with pretty glitter and tinsel stuck on to them, and electric scooters etc with dangerous batteries.  

You might take the libertatian attitude that this is perfectly OK  if the parents are too gullible or too selfish to care whether their flat burns down or their infants choke.  

But even if you accept the premise that parents have the right to expose their children to unnecessary lethal dangers, surely you can't think they have the right to burn down an entire block of flats - or to choke all their neighbours' babies by giving them dangerous toys?

When I was young, we used to clip little candles to the Christmas tree and light them.   It was very pretty - until the candle slipped and caught a paper chain or a curtain.  Nowadays, I'd be horrified to see my grandchildren doing the same.  That's progress. 

[dch2112011]

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@danieledwardsmall wrote:

I got the point you were desperate to pick holes in an argument.

None of these decrees will stop sellers peddling dangerous goods if there is a profit.  Consumer naïveté laid bare.

Not at all desperate to pick a hole in your misguided  argument - just applying common sense as to why it is absolutely a necessity to legislate on safety - for the very reason you state and that some individuals buying assume that  goods are safe and some couldn't care less - until something happens.

With legislation sellers who do not adhere to the regulations and are caught have clearcut liability and consequence - with no regulation it becomes a matter of opinion !

For ebay to stop anyone selling unregulated goods for baies or known hazrds has to be a good thing - even if it denies individuals selling second hand bay toys - who knows if they are safe - worn, damaged, washed in a chemical to clean them, dirty with obnoxious substances.

To eliminate personal sellers acting as businesses by selling unregulated new goods with no regard for the regulations because as a private seller they are claiming not to be a business and as such they have no regard for consumer laws and replace them with reputable bussiness sellers who are responsible for adhering to consumer and safety laws and regulations can only be a positive move,

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[fatbobfan]

'GSPR Lite UK'

Couple of questions, your opinion appreicated @4_bathrooms and others in the know

1. In your opinion how long is this likely take to be introduced to the UK, guessing it could be a how long is a piece of string question, but a guestimate, you seem to have an interest more than the avergae joe

2. Effect on the previously owned or pre-loved market,

Im selling a used childs, Disney soft toy, no box, no receipt, no tags and no care labels, No CE, the previous owner has removed them. Currently I can sell this toy on Ebay.

'GSPR lite' would excluded for the 2nd had sell on, if and when it comes on.

[4_bathrooms]

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@fatbobfan wrote:

1. In your opinion how long is this likely take to be introduced to the UK, guessing it could be a how long is a piece of string question, but a guestimate, you seem to have an interest more than the avergae joe

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It really is a case of how long a piece of string is. The current progress can be seen here.

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@fatbobfan wrote:

2. Effect on the previously owned or pre-loved market,

Im selling a used childs, Disney soft toy, no box, no receipt, no tags and no care labels, No CE, the previous owner has removed them. Currently I can sell this toy on Ebay.

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It depends. The impact assessment - which is the only thing that has really been published so far - hints at an EU GPSR-like approach. From Lord Leong's notes for the second reading:

"Online marketplaces already have some legal responsibility, but the Bill will enable the Government to modernise and clarify the responsibilities of online supply chain actors, and any new duties will be in addition to responsibilities they may already have as distributors under the current framework. Without these powers, it will remain far too easy for unscrupulous suppliers to place unsafe products on the UK market through online marketplaces, which also sees them undercut good British businesses. The legislation will enable improvements to compliance and enforcement, reflecting the challenges of modern digital borders. It enables the Government and our regulators to tackle non-compliance and target interventions by allowing greater sharing of data between regulators and market surveillance authorities."

It really is a case of having to wait and see what the results of the readings, debates and amendments are. However, the general tone so far is remarkably similar to the EU's GPSR requirements. 

[fatbobfan]

So the 31st October deadline has passed and its not being enforced 

[myriad*seller]

I've seen one post recently from someone who said they were prevented from listing a baby's toy as they were a private seller, so it does get picked up on *some* new listings 

Existing listings (and maybe relists) will stay the same I imagine, otherwise the boards would be full of "eBay let me list this 15 times over the last two years and now they say I can't list it" threads 

[fatbobfan]

I hadnt thought of looking at it that way  and looks like your correct

They easily removed listings for Compliance though, cant see any diffefrence

[fatbobfan]

There are Private sellers who are listing Baby Toys just cataloging incorrectly

marco@ebay

Search Baby Toy, then filter Private seller, then filter New listing

An easy and obvious work around not being policed?

[fatbobfan]

167071017492

or listed as collectable art

[the-layer-laboratory]

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@fatbobfan wrote:

167071017492

or listed as collectable art

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I reported 15 listings similar to this earlier. Apparently there's nothing in violation of ebay policy.

UPDATE: I have just received an update that a few of the reported listings have been removed!

[fatbobfan]

I beleive there are close to 100 I could find