Don't give feedback to sellers until they give it to you...

[stroudc-61]

Time and time again, I buy something on Ebay, I pay immediately with PayPal, and the seller does not give me any feedback until after I leave it for him first.

This is agains Ebay policy I am almost sure. A bit ago Ebay changed policy so sellers could not leave "retalitory" feedback, that is giving a buyer bad feedback who paid quickly, just because they gave well-deserved bad feedback for a good reason.

This ruined the feedback system for ebay, making it useless.

Now, apparently most sellers simply hold off on giving feedback as long as possible. Are they hoping the buyer gets tired of waiting? Are they hoping the buyer simply slips up and leaves it before they are supposed to?

Whatever the reason, there is no GOOD one for not leaving positive feedback for a buyer that pays lightning fast with PayPal. The buyers job is done at that point, and done very well.

Then it is up to the SELLER to pack the item well, ship it promptly, and have the item be as described in the auction.

If the seller screws up or sells something that is not as advertised, then they damn well deserve bad feedback so that the next buyer can be informed of the bad apple.

So in a nutshell, if you are a buyer on ebay, lets start holding that feedback back until the seller does what they are supposed to for a prompt-paying customer. And if they do not leave feedback, lets report them to Ebay so the feedback system is not compromised as it once was, and so buyers can be properly informed of a sellers performance when they are shopping.

Thanks

[papso22]

Its a shame you created a new ID to post this , now no one can block the real you.

[vijorey]

Cowardice??

[1902elder]

Cannot understand why some buyers think they deserve a pat on the back just for doing what they are obliged to do, nor can I understand why so many come to these boards with such childish and petty ideas. Get a life, there are much more important things to be concerned with these days.

[aeternumstore]

The buyer is supposed to leave feedback first to close the transaction, I'm always surprised how many buyers dont realise this.
I've stopped leaving feedback first as it leaves you open to abuse.

[vijorey]

The buyer is not ‘supposed’ to anything as leaving feedback is voluntary.....
@aeternumstore

[njp213]

Currently as a seller I am only leaving feedback once I know the item has been delivered. I do not leave feedback just because the buyer paid promptly. I like to know if a buyer is genuine before leaving feedback.

[john1297576]

"This is agains Ebay policy"

Time you read up on some ebay policies, and perhaps read a bit more on here. On here yesterday was the Classic case of a seller who left feedback for a buyer only to get a completely unjustified Negative from the Buyer. That seller will never leave a buyer feedback just because they paid.

Is that your idea of Fair, what would you do if you were the seller? 

Feedback is Voluntary and should only be left by a seller after they know tat te buyer hasreceived their purchase and are happy with it. That means the buyer has left feedback. Howelse does the seller know that the buyer is happy.

Try some selling yourself and see how you would feel when your buyer turns into the buyer from hell, AFTER you have said what a wonderful buyer they are.

[njp213]

I agree with you. I would not leave feeback until item has been delivered. 

[plpmr]

Unfortunately your post cannot be taken seriously as it exhibits a serious lack of knowledge – plus the fact that you feel that it's necessary to hide your own feedback ID.

You end by advising members to overwhelm a reduced eBay staff [during a world crisis] with groundless and false complaints.

[tressygirl]

Feedback is entirely voluntary for both parties.  Only feel that,  as a buyer you wish to leave one,  but if there is a problem,  don't use it as a sounding board,  always try and resolve the matter with the seller first.  Most are good,  and will only be too willing to comply to solving a matter.

A buyers feedback score as,  you rightly say,  can only show good feedback,  so they can be serial non payers,   and this will not show.

A seller will usually leave feedback After a buyer does m  because that buyer can later become a buyer from hell.  Yes,  I appreciate your comment if the seller fails to complete a transaction well, e.g. a badly wrapped item causing damage,  and after contacting them they do not fix the matteer,  then a negative reply is called for.

However,  some buyers can become a nightmare asking for partial refunds on perfectly good items,  so sellers do generally wait for a feedback which tells them the transaction has completed well,  and usually ( again it is volunatry) they then reciprocate with feedback.

Also,  some sellers do leave feedback in bulk say,  at the end of the month.

[pixiesen2012]

can you point me to the ebay policy that states a seller has to leave a buyer feedback first?

or can you point me to the policy that states anyone HAS to leave feedback?

the fact is you CANNOT

because feedback is completely VOLUNTARY

a seller doesn't HAVE to leave a buyer feedback just because they paid

in the same way, a buyer doesn't HAVE to leave a seller feedback

the buyers JOB as you put it, is to leave a seller decent feedback if they deserve it, or negative feedback if they don't,

the only way buyers can be properly informed of a sellers performance when they are shopping, is if the BUYER  leaves feedback,

if the buyers refuse to do this just because the seller didn't leave feedback first, the system will be compromised

feedback for buyers is completely pointless, as sellers can only leave positive feedback

afterall is the buyer buying items or green dots?

[roger_roger_over_and_nowt]

Do you get feedback from the supermarket when you pay promptly ?.No,because when you buy something the next thing you need to do is pay.If you pay quickly ,as i have always done should you get A1 pos fb and if you pay a bit later should you get an A2 fb ?.No.

When you buy something on ebay what exactly are you buying,the item you are paying for or feedback or both ???.

Sellers can only leave pos fb for buyers so fb for buying means pretty much zilch and judging by the amount of negs left for selling that are being removed nowadays feedback for sellers means pretty much zilch as well.

I decided recently to leave no fb for sellers at all any more and as i won't be selling again i won't be receiving any either.I don't see the point as i cannot rely on it as any form of a guide anymore.

[vijorey]

You've opened a new account just to say that! Unbelievable and disgraceful!

you've fallen at the first hurdle by quoting policies that do not exist☹️

[flydrive2020]

Strong schools of thought stand both for and against your posting. I did some selling on here a few years ago now and one buyer took nearly TWO WEEKS to pay and without communicating to me why this was. The pair of items they had bought cost just shy of £60 and so if they were on Social Security Benefits and couldn't pay ... Why not just tell me I'm not inhuman?! Well the option I was left with was to leave them a positive feedback as Sellers by then could only leave positives for buyers but included 'Slow Payer that does not communicate well' in my comment. I heard nothing back about either items - positive / negative - nothing so I don't even know if they were received even ... 

Retaliatory feedback has only been a problem I have found with people who appear to be unscrupulous ... Or if the Feedback comment made out in itself that it's retaliatory. EBay removed an unjust comment with a friend of mine which was made by a buyer after he had left them a relatively generic 'Super EBayer - Thanks for your custom' type comment as a positive when they paid for what they bought. The only time prior to 2006 when I encountered the 'retaliatory' one was when I was left a negative as a payment sent by postal order as I didn't have a bank account at the time took two weeks to be delivered by post. The comment left for me called me names and at the time NPB stood for 'Non-Paying Bidder' ... Not something commonly seen nowadays. So I left a negative as the buyer in reply saying impatient and rude seller who left aggressive swearing all over my Feedback. Both comments were removed by EBay and anyway that guy isn't on here any more. Retaliatory? We are all entitled to our opinions but what do you reckon in your opinion - was it. There is an option you may be aware of to 'Follow Up on Feedback Received' where you are able to leave one reply in return for any feedback comment received. Here is where you can return fire with 'Retaliatory IMHO - Uncalled for' or something similar to make the person look like the unscrupulous individual that they are. But I think opposing that is that EBay doesn't want this to blight this site on a regular basis or too often. So as some form of deterrent the options for doing so are not present right from the start 

As a buyer to a seller if the buyer pays at lightning speed like I MUCH prefer to then the seller has left a comment saying so most of the time in the trust that being satisfied with the item I will do the same: This is what I do and that's all part of the goodwill and trust factors that I think have to be an integral part of EBay transactions. If I get unscrupulously 'DIDDLED' by a seller who sends me rubbish I will not send Feedback but go to the Resolution Centre and / or to Paypal first - in the interest of demanding answers for their conduct. Only upon the case being closed and especially if it doesn't look as if a genuine mistake has been made do I then leave negative feedback telling the truth 

I agree that by altering such aspects as you point out that EBay is trying to eliminate the need for 'trust' and 'goodwill' / 'integrity' to have to be present within transactions but IMHO they never will as this is not the high street. You can never tangibly 'try before you buy' or even check the item yourself before going ahead and parting with your cash: So the need for 'Trust' and 'integrity' will never leave this equation however hard they try to make them. All I can now hope is that this will be helpful to you in some way - I sure hope so. Have a nice day