Who made God?

[**bustysinclaire**]

An interesting Article that has been puplished recently, to help us all understand the Basis of the Beliefs in Creation not Evelotution.

Just thought I would share with anyone who may interested in the answer to the title Question, as it may help you to at least understand the reasonings on the JW faith.

Who Made God?

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Picture a father talking with his seven-year-old son. He says, “Long, long ago, God made the earth and everything in it, and he made the sun, the moon, and the stars.” The boy thinks about this for a few moments and then asks, “Daddy, who made God?”

“Nobody made God,” the father replies. “He has always existed.” That simple statement satisfies the child for now. As he grows older, however, the question continues to intrigue him. He finds it hard to comprehend how anyone could be without a beginning. Why, even the universe had a beginning. ‘Where did God come from?’ he wonders.

How does the Bible answer? Essentially, in much the same way as did the father in our example. Moses wrote: “O Jehovah, . . . before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the productive land, from everlasting to everlasting, you are God.” (Psalm 90:1, 2) Likewise, the prophet Isaiah exclaimed: “Do you not know? Have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the ends of the earth, is a God for all eternity”! (Isaiah 40:28) Similarly, the letter of Jude refers to God as existing “for all past eternity.”—Jude 25.

Those scriptures show us that God is “the King of eternity,” as the apostle Paul describes him. (1 Timothy 1:17) This means that God has always existed, no matter how far back in time we cast our gaze. And he will always exist in the future. (Revelation 1:8) Thus, his eternal existence is a fundamental attribute of the Almighty.

Why do we find this idea difficult to grasp? Because our limited life span gives us a completely different concept of time from that of Jehovah. Because God is eternal, to him a thousand years are like a day. (2 Peter 3:8) To illustrate: Could a grasshopper, which lives as an adult for only about 50 days, fathom our life span of 70 or 80 years? Hardly! Yet, the Bible explains that we are like grasshoppers in comparison with our Grand Creator. Even our ability to reason is dwarfed by his. (Isaiah 40:22; 55:8, 9) So it is not surprising that there are aspects of Jehovah’s nature that escape full human understanding.

Although the concept of an eternal God may be hard to grasp, we can see that it makes sense. If someone else had created God, that person would be the Creator. Yet, as the Bible explains, Jehovah is the one who “created all things.” (Revelation 4:11) Furthermore, we know that the universe at one time did not exist. (Genesis 1:1, 2) Where did it come from? Its Creator had to exist first. He also existed before there were any other intelligent beings, such as his only-begotten Son and the angels. (Job 38:4, 7; Colossians 1:15) Clearly, then, he existed alone first. He could not have been created; nothing was in existence that could have created him.

Our own existence and that of the entire universe testifies to the existence of an eternal God. The One who put our vast universe in motion, the One who established the laws to control it, must have always existed. Only he could have breathed life into everything else.—Job 33:4.

[bankhaunter]

Yet another way to screw money out of the delusional and to wax fat by reinforcing those delusions.

The world is full of such vultures.

[**bustysinclaire**]

lol at muffins............. Have to admit I luv muffins............... Bank you are way off the mark with a money making industry...........Yes, the organisation is very prosperous which we are so very grateful for, apart from the odd bit of income from a property sale here and there we are completley funded by VOLUNTARY contributions, yes voluntary, we do not have collection plates handed round each meeting, we do not have to submit a certain percentage of our income and no charge is asked for any of our literature from our members or the public............... The fact we have grown so much and have such wonderful Kingdom halls is all down to Our God and our hardworking brothers and sisters, the fact we have come so far is because we have had Jehovahs blessing............. I will add, we are in the process of rebuilding a wonderful new complex just outside of brooklyn USA where our main, but now outgrown buildings have been for the last 60 odd years. Very exiting times ahead. All self built too by our own. My congregation built our own Kingdom hall in 3 days........we all had a share, all materials, time and energy loving contrubuted willing unpaid. It houses 4 congregations of around 100 -200 each. Quite a building and very warm and cosy.

[tommy.irene]

• Why it's dangerous to associate with Jehovah's Witnesses

  www.watchtowerdocuments.com/.../dangerous-to-associate-with-jehovah...

  Many people feel under pressure because of the stressful times in which we live. ... First of all, what right do I have to examine this religion, to call it dangerous?

[bankhaunter]

.Yes, the organisation is very prosperous which we are so very grateful for, apart from the odd bit of income from a property sale here and there we are completley funded by VOLUNTARY contributions, yes voluntary, we do not have collection plates handed round each meeting,

Many a dodgy organisation has become enormously wealthy on 'voluntary' donations, it doesn't mean they are not in it for the money and power.

You should use some critical thinking about your beliefs and what you are told to believe by your Elders and do it by using more than one particular translation of the Bible.

Learn something about other old religions from across the world, learn something of evolution, above all think for yourself.

[evoman3957]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7e9vnwTjJA

[bankhaunter]

That is hilarious, the sad thing is that people follow tem and send them money, incredible though it is.

[bankhaunter]

Give us your money.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20131115/charitable-giving/

We don't get enough from our investments in military technology.

http://www.watchtowerlies.com/watchtower_owns_warfare_technology.html

[saasher2012]

I notice once again the questions that have asked are being fielded, but no amount of self congratulatory back slapping will be able to
Hide the fact that there is no concrete evidence, & now I know it comes from the States which is full of these brain washing religious cults I'm even less convinced, although I now see why they are so persistent in the door to door hard sell, it does seem to smack of desperation & to also add more money to the coffers! IMHO !!.

[**bustysinclaire**]

Bank, thank you for your concerns, but I have been thinking very much for myself.

[bankhaunter]

Quite a building and very warm and cosy.

Well I suppose a nice comfortable rut of ignorance shared with other sheep, is very hard for some to leave.

[**bustysinclaire**]

lol xxx

[cee-dee]

Q. Why are some minds like a Fire Door?

A. Because they're kept closed.

[**bustysinclaire**]

mmmm, very apt CD xxxx The more there is shown opossition to the message given to all in a way that shows God cares about each and everyone one's well being and future the more I am convinced of it's truth.............So many prophecies are being fullfilled by it here and now I cannot be in any doubt.............................. I was asked why am I so concerned about all of the non believers, well I shall tell you.....it is because you are all fellow humans beings with just as much right to life as me, and there is something wonderful on offer to replace this wicked and very cruel system of thing. It is entirely up to the individual what you do with that information......I can only pass it on.....I have done my bit it I do......I accept that you all make your own minds up.......What I will say though is, if you choose to to take it, then you cannot blame anyone but yourselves to being closed to - you must take full responsibility for whatever you may and however you may suffer for it........I do hope you all are happy that is all I would want.........

[**bustysinclaire**]

And still the format is up the swanny. xxx

[bankhaunter]

.So many prophecies are being fullfilled by it here and now I cannot be in any doubt...

1878, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975 and by the end of the 20th century, all failed prophecies for the end time.

You need to learn what a real prophecy actually is.

A vague suggestion that something may happen in the future, something which is almost bound to happen anyway, is not a prophecy, if it was we are all prophets because we all do it.

Neither is searching the Bible to find a statement which may act as a prophecy for an event which has already happened or is about to happen, the prophecy has to come before the prophesised and not the other way round.

Have a look at all these failed biblical prophecies, every one can be checked.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Failed_biblical_prophecies

[cee-dee]

I see we have more promises of dire consequences if we don't follow the twisted sheep track?

We can never get direct answers to any questions asked, just more and more gobbledygook.

Here's a question looking for a straight answer, what prophecies are being fulfilled now then?

[saasher2012]

A sheep is lost without it's flock, separate it from is companions & it will quickly become disorientated , unhappy , panic stricken,& prone to be picked off by predation totally incapable of acting on it's own, the only defence it does have is the flight mode!
When amongst it's flock it blindly follows the leader even at the expense of following the majority over a cliff edge in it's panic to be with them . If you study a shepherd & his/her dog trying to separate one or two of the sheep from the main flock you would see it is one of the most difficult manoeuvres the sheep will do everything in it's power to get back to the main flock!.

[bankhaunter]

the sheep will do everything in it's power to get back to the main flock!.

And be less likely to leave it in the first place if it knows that the flock will shut them out if they do as in being disfellowshipped.

That's how cults hang on to and control their members.

[tommy.irene]

I like this ..... 
In Conclusion

You’re on the right track by coming here tonight to find out why it is dangerous to associate with JWs. Maybe this does not apply to you, but I like this clever remark of Will Rogers: "Even if you're on the right track you'll get run over if you just sit there." Many JWs suspect that something isn’t right with their religion, but they just stay with it waiting and waiting for something to happen.

Rather than continue to wait for the end of the world and have their hopes dashed to pieces when it doesn’t come in their lifetime, they should do what JWs are taught not to do—hitch a ride with a world that is continuing to move on to make life better for all of society in the here and now. Life is too short to waste on JWs fantasies and dreams. If we love our neighbor as ourselves, we will help humanity, not hope for destruction of everybody not a JW. And if you want to help JWs when one calls at your door, mention what you have heard here tonight.

Yes, it’s difficult to get out of a cult. If you do, you lose your closest relationships, your cherished beliefs, and your whole way of life goes up in flames. More often than not, you end up with nothing.

However, if you choose to associate with JWs by becoming one of them, despite the dangers that you heard here tonight, understand when you do, you will give up your freedom of speech, freedom of choice, your family and friends, the community you belong to and perhaps even your life.

That choice is yours.

Tommy Loves Everyone

 

[bankhaunter]

There are those who should realise that this life is all you get.

It is not a rehersal so one shouldn't waste it.

There are certainly many who are living a pretend life involved in one church or another where they no longer have a belief but are afraid to admit it even to their family, scared of the reaction of others.