Who made God?

[**bustysinclaire**]

An interesting Article that has been puplished recently, to help us all understand the Basis of the Beliefs in Creation not Evelotution.

Just thought I would share with anyone who may interested in the answer to the title Question, as it may help you to at least understand the reasonings on the JW faith.

Who Made God?

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Picture a father talking with his seven-year-old son. He says, “Long, long ago, God made the earth and everything in it, and he made the sun, the moon, and the stars.” The boy thinks about this for a few moments and then asks, “Daddy, who made God?”

“Nobody made God,” the father replies. “He has always existed.” That simple statement satisfies the child for now. As he grows older, however, the question continues to intrigue him. He finds it hard to comprehend how anyone could be without a beginning. Why, even the universe had a beginning. ‘Where did God come from?’ he wonders.

How does the Bible answer? Essentially, in much the same way as did the father in our example. Moses wrote: “O Jehovah, . . . before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the productive land, from everlasting to everlasting, you are God.” (Psalm 90:1, 2) Likewise, the prophet Isaiah exclaimed: “Do you not know? Have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the ends of the earth, is a God for all eternity”! (Isaiah 40:28) Similarly, the letter of Jude refers to God as existing “for all past eternity.”—Jude 25.

Those scriptures show us that God is “the King of eternity,” as the apostle Paul describes him. (1 Timothy 1:17) This means that God has always existed, no matter how far back in time we cast our gaze. And he will always exist in the future. (Revelation 1:8) Thus, his eternal existence is a fundamental attribute of the Almighty.

Why do we find this idea difficult to grasp? Because our limited life span gives us a completely different concept of time from that of Jehovah. Because God is eternal, to him a thousand years are like a day. (2 Peter 3:8) To illustrate: Could a grasshopper, which lives as an adult for only about 50 days, fathom our life span of 70 or 80 years? Hardly! Yet, the Bible explains that we are like grasshoppers in comparison with our Grand Creator. Even our ability to reason is dwarfed by his. (Isaiah 40:22; 55:8, 9) So it is not surprising that there are aspects of Jehovah’s nature that escape full human understanding.

Although the concept of an eternal God may be hard to grasp, we can see that it makes sense. If someone else had created God, that person would be the Creator. Yet, as the Bible explains, Jehovah is the one who “created all things.” (Revelation 4:11) Furthermore, we know that the universe at one time did not exist. (Genesis 1:1, 2) Where did it come from? Its Creator had to exist first. He also existed before there were any other intelligent beings, such as his only-begotten Son and the angels. (Job 38:4, 7; Colossians 1:15) Clearly, then, he existed alone first. He could not have been created; nothing was in existence that could have created him.

Our own existence and that of the entire universe testifies to the existence of an eternal God. The One who put our vast universe in motion, the One who established the laws to control it, must have always existed. Only he could have breathed life into everything else.—Job 33:4.

[saasher2012]

I believe Bankhaunter was being sarcastic, &that was his point! lol. How's the diet going?

[bankhaunter]

I've mentioned this before but it could be worth repeating, it was written on a wall in a concentration camp.

When I meet my maker he is going to have to ask for my forgiveness.

[daveg29]

Who made God what????????

[bankhaunter]

The formatting problem has been noted by others, you are not alone in experiencing the problem.

However the problem with using the Bible to illustrate anything is that one can find in it whatever one wants to find, it is no more than a collection of writings chosen from a great number by a committee of politicians to suit their own ends and those writings were obviously written by people who had very little knowledge of the world or of the cosmos, their world was very small and limited to countries around the eastern end of the Mediterranean if even that much, plus many of them were rewrites of earlier stories or used myths and legends as a basis.

On the other thread I illustrated how a biblical quote was used to justify punishing babies with a stick and how religion can allow people to advise parents to do just that without those people having anything on their conscience.

There are politicians in the US who will use Bible quotations to show that we can ignore global warming, one example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jman-Dkjv3Q

I would also suggest that Revelations has more to do with the local mushrooms than anything divine.

The Creation story can be totally ignored if for no other reason we know that the order in which it says things were created was simply not so.

We know how stars are formed, it can be observed happening, the sun is just a main sequence star of which there are billions like it, it is nothing special and we know the planets were formed after the sun and the moon after the earth, not as the story makes out, the other way round.

We may indeed be damaging the earth but it will be no good looking to an imaginary being for which there is no evidence of it's existence, to help us. we have to do it for ourselves.

As for the Sermon on the Mount, it contains some of the stupidest advice that anyone could give and directly goes against the concept of looking after the earth.

“Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

Not bothering about tomorrow is what got the earth to the situation it is in today but that's what you get for listening to a fool, only a fool would say that.

[rednoise2001]

Hi saasher, Duuurrrr, I totally missed the sarcastic point of the post. The diet was going ok thanks (what a memory you`ve got) till I spent a week in Sorrento, stuffed my physog with fresh pasta, oven baked pizza and gallons of the local plonk. Will have to start again....with gods help, of course.

[saasher2012]

The planet will survive with or without our intervention, & it won't be a human that destroys it!
We have in the centuries past faced many catastrophic diseases & survived them most of them have been blamed by the church as a punishment from God for humans misdemeanours, in actuality in a way it was humans who caused the diseases in the way our houses were built , lack of hygiene etc, only when the diseases were understood & how they spread did the way in which with live start to change.& if indeed it was a punishment from God what does it say about all the so called teachers of gods word who also succumbed to these very same diseases even now a particular disease has been used as a punishment from God& yet the church now allows the very same people to practice in the church etc, with these double standards is it any wonder their teachings hold no water. I hasten to add I use this as an example & for no other reason!.

[bankhaunter]

After the last big earthquake in Pakistan many were saying that it was punishment for not being true to their faith.

Of course the fact they were living on a fault line and earthquakes could be expected to happen had nothing to do with it.

A classic example where the lack of knowledge of the natural world supports religion which does depend on ignorance.

Knowledge doesn't always prevent those who should know better particularly in the US,  blaming disasters on such as gay marriage.

[cee-dee]

All the believers who state that their facts are so are dishonest!

They state categorically that this, that and the other are facts when they're quite clearly NOT a fact.

They'd be honest if they said "I believe......." this, that and the other are a fact.

It's been said before that the inexplicable was always explained away by claiming that their god did/created this, that or everything else and that is definitely a fact.

I suppose that if someone came along and said that they "believe" the Big Bag happened but it was one of many over time and that the Universe as we know it is only a small part of a bigger, much bigger, super-massive never ending Universe and that they believe that Big Bangs happen every so often in different parts of that super-massive Universe, the whole idea would be ridiculed by many but taken on board by others?

Those believers would be challenged to "prove it" when of course, they can't and they might say "I know it's so" just like religious believers claim that they "know". Really, they know nothing more than what they've read or been told.

Let's be honest, we "know" some things to be true, others are likely to be true, yet more are possibly true but many others are only "true" in the eyes and minds of those want to believe them.

[rose2008-2008]

Ive just realized today there is NO GOD,,,, its ARGOS thats stopped me believing!. They need the divine bloomin intervention stuck somewhere the sun dont shine!!!!. Perhaps they will believe then that there is a god ,when they do their job properly!!!!!!!!.

[saasher2012]

lol.

[rednoise2001]

Chil Rajchman was a Polish jew transported to Treblinka death camp, along with many thousands more. He survived due to many reasons, but mainly because he was given the job of shaving the heads of jewish women just before they entered the gas chambers. One day he noticed that the jew next to him, whose job it was to search the women for concealed diamonds and gold was praying under his breath. "Why are you praying ? you still belive in a god after all we`ve seen? With the extermination of millions of innocent people, how can gods so called `love` have any credence?

[saasher2012]

And of course Genocide still continues in a lesser numbers still today! But even though it's a smaller number doesn't make it any less shocking. But it still makes you ask " why!!" ??????!!!!!!!!.

[bankhaunter]

The 'God is Love' thing is something beyond my comprehension since it never seems to have manifested itself.

It must be due to people's ability to ignore the obvious flaws in their belief, the people who think someone being pulled alive after several days buried in the rubble caused by an earthquake, is a miracle from God and ignore the fact that if it was true, in order for God to perform the miracle many other people had to die.

[rose2008-2008]

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@saasher2012 wrote:
lol.

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That made you Laugh saasher,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, oooh im fit to bust today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

[saasher2012]

And count to ten & relaaaaaaax! lol.

[saasher2012]

I would agree but with the addition that I believe because I need to believe in something.
I'm afraid apart from quoting passages from a man written book there is no evidence anywhere that can be brought forward to substantiate the validity that these words came from god.
I honestly believe that if you are susceptible to suggestion from a very persuasive talker you will come to believe the moon is made of cheese & no amount of facts & evidence will sway you from that course.
I speak as a dealer in facts, I see something before me, I check why & how it's occurred , the effects, the cause & hopefully how it can be prevented, I would never take someone else's word for it I must & do see for myself, if I disagree I will state my reasons for it , if they continue in believing they are right then they must convince me with evidence to prove it, I then make up my own mind after first studying both sides of evidence & facts, never would I take a decision without this.
Up to now I have not seen anything to convince me to change my mind, which in a way saddens me I would dearly love that evidence!
Unless it's forthcoming the debate will just keep going round in circles & the believers & non believers will just keep on asking & receiving the same answers.

[cee-dee]

People believe anything bar the truth of the matter when looking at things like this too:-

http://news.sky.com/story/1310295/mysterious-crop-circle-appears-in-wheat-field

[saasher2012]

Hmmmm! It's got to be aliens or a message from above & so it was believed until it was proved that some very clever & possibly drunk students were at the root of it , mind you it wasn't proved in all cases !

[**bustysinclaire**]

Bankhaunter wrote "but that's what you get for listening to a fool, only a fool would say that" aaaawwwww. It is such a shame you all do feel that way. If everyone did see the truth ( truth being how we JW's like to describe our beliefs/faith in general) as it is meant then it certainly wouldn't be burdensome at all, I certainly don't feel a fool, and as I am in my fifties I have seen enough of a variety of life to come to sensible and well thought out conclusions. I am really grateful and happy about my faith. I would love to meet you all, not specifically to talk religions and faiths but you all as fellow human beings with really strong opinions. I have to say, you truly all seem great characters. xx

[saasher2012]

lol. Sorry to hear you've fallen by the wayside but I bet it was fun anyhow! lol.