26-02-2015 8:02 PM
http://news.sky.com/story/1434886/is-fighters-destroy-3000-year-old-artefacts
We've seen something similar before during the era of Pol Pot in Cambodia?
http://www.ppu.org.uk/genocide/g_cambodia1.html
In Cambodia, all intellectuals and educated people were murdered, books and information plus all connections with the historic past were destroyed but instead of religious fanatics, the Khmer Rouge were anti-religion of any sort.
If the IS beheadings and brutal treatment of non IS people wasn't bad enough, now we see gangs of I-Khansa going round the streets of places they control and throwing acid in the faces of women who are not veiled from head to foot. Can it get any worse?
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
07-03-2015 3:28 PM
07-03-2015 3:41 PM
It's spite! They know they'll be defeated so they're gonna cause as much havoc as possible before they sneak back in to their society claiming "It wor meeeee......"
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
07-03-2015 3:51 PM
@fallen-archie wrote:
There is much I do not understand about the aims, ideas and demands of the various militant Muslims, for the life of me I can see no plausible reason for the wholesale destruction of an ancient site.
I can't understand any of it, militant or otherwise. And I've stopped even trying.
07-03-2015 4:55 PM - edited 07-03-2015 4:58 PM
As cee-dee perceptively said in post #22, it's due to spite. And envy of Western Civilisation.
The Muslims have failed to create a civilisation as good as ours. Therefore they hate us - for being better than them.
This is a natural human reaction. Don't we all resent our superiors?
07-03-2015 6:25 PM
@cee-dee wrote:They live in such conditions by choice.
They want the modern guns, phones and vehicles but they won't get up off their "seats" to dig trenches for drainage or to lay water pipes or even improve their roads. As to clearing up their rubbish and disposing of it properly, UMUZBJOKIN.
That's simply not true in the vast majority of cases. If our government decided not to lay water pipes, repair roads, clear rubbish etc. then there is very little you or I could do about it,
It is an easy mistake to make to relate the conditions the ordinary man or woman lives in to the way their 'governments' act and to say the ordinary person is responsible for their 'governments' actions/inaction.
07-03-2015 6:43 PM
That might have been true in times past but we know better now.
Having tasted the benefits of drainage, decent roads and rubbish removal, communal activities would go some way to achieving those aims if we had the need.
Even crude drains are better than none and they're simply trenches filled with stones. Roads used to be maintained locally and some localities had better roads than others. "Rubbish" consisted of "hard" items, "soft" rubbish was composted. Even old clothes were cut up to make rag rugs. Other "rubbish" was burned.
Today, those communities I'm criticising have many modern items to make up the conditions in which they choose to live. There's plastic bags flying everywhere and the sort of rubbish I mentioned above is simply thrown outside to get ground in to the mud. It seems incredible that they have electricity with wires everywhere but live surrounded by a filthy mud-hole.
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
07-03-2015 7:03 PM
@cee-dee wrote:That might have been true in times past but we know better now.
Having tasted the benefits of drainage, decent roads and rubbish removal, communal activities would go some way to achieving those aims if we had the need.
Even crude drains are better than none and they're simply trenches filled with stones. Roads used to be maintained locally and some localities had better roads than others. "Rubbish" consisted of "hard" items, "soft" rubbish was composted. Even old clothes were cut up to make rag rugs. Other "rubbish" was burned.
Today, those communities I'm criticising have many modern items to make up the conditions in which they choose to live. There's plastic bags flying everywhere and the sort of rubbish I mentioned above is simply thrown outside to get ground in to the mud. It seems incredible that they have electricity with wires everywhere but live surrounded by a filthy mud-hole.
So what would you suggest that the locals in those sort of communities do with the 'plastic bags flying around'?
Remember the local government strikes back in the '70s. Not many examples there of community action to take care of the rubbish which piled up in the streets - and that was after just a few weeks, not years!.
How many examples of locals mending pot holes in roads can you come up with? If anything we have become far less self reliant than those living in third world countries. The slightest little problem and and someone, somewhere, (most often a politician), has to be to blame and 'someone' needs to sort it out - always someone else of course!
Small village communities do of course carry out the sort of improvements you talk about but that sort of action simply cannot be transposed onto large urban communities - there is far too much self interest and too little self gain in community action. Proof of that in this country can be seen in the reception to David Cameron's "Big Society" speech!
07-03-2015 7:13 PM
In the main, what you say has more than a ring of truth in it but comparing the mess people live in (where applicable) abroad to a strike situation here isn't the same.
People had come to rely on the services they'd paid for to pick up the rubbish and it piling up was just as much a protest by those piling it up as those on strike who didn't want to carry out the job they'd been contracted to do.
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
07-03-2015 8:52 PM
According to recent reports the same people destroying ancient artifacts as being ungodly aren't above selling them to raise money for their 'cause'.
If they really believe such objects must be destroyed then their monetary value should be of no significance
07-03-2015 10:00 PM
Like I said, it's spite. What they can't steal, they destroy so no-one else can enjoy them just by looking at them.
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
08-03-2015 8:38 AM