The Forbidden Planet.

Remember that old film? (Stick with this).

 

Recently I've been arguing (old hands know how I like to argue?) with a friend about Freud. It started with an idle mention of dreams. I dream when I'm asleep. She mentioned a book called "The Interpretation of Dreams" by Sigmund Freud. It seems he claimed (amongst other things) that all dreams are "Wish fulfillment".

 

Now if you research Freud, you'll find that he had some very strange ideas. For a long time, he was regarded by some as the father of psychoanalysis. Today, some call him Sigmund Fraud, others call him Sickman Freud.

 

Some of his techniques are highly questionable as he almost browbeat subjects in to accepting his interpretation of what they told him. If you've also been following the "This is frightening" thread, you'll see where that led?

 

Now, back to The Forbidden Planet, remember "the monsters from the Id"??? Freud defined what he called the three functions of the mind as the Id, the Ego and the Super Ego.

 

He claimed the Ego was organised and realistic and mediated between the conflicting desires of the Id and the Super Ego.

 

Soooooo, were the writers influenced by Freud and/or Carl Jung (a friend of Freud) and decided to incorporate an expanded Id in to the film? When I first saw the film I (like everyone else I guess) understood that the Id in the film was part of the subconcious mind which, coupled with the "educator" was able to bring the subconcious in to reality BUT, I didn't know anything about Freud and his theories.

 

Odd that one of the earliest Sci-Fi films should have picked up on such a theme as dreamed up by the writers?



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@cee-dee wrote:

 

 

Soooooo, were the writers influenced by Freud and/or Carl Jung (a friend of Freud) and decided to incorporate an expanded Id in to the film? When I first saw the film I (like everyone else I guess) understood that the Id in the film was part of the subconcious mind which, coupled with the "educator" was able to bring the subconcious in to reality BUT, I didn't know anything about Freud and his theories.

 

Odd that one of the earliest Sci-Fi films should have picked up on such a theme as dreamed up by the writers?


Not odd at all, Freud's Id, Ego and Super Ego are pretty common cultural references, and something the writers would've been aware of.

 

The movie is a loose adaptation of Shakespeare's 'The Tempest'. 

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It is, as you said, an updated version of 'the Tempest'. All the characters are there, Prospero, Arial, Caliban.

I love this film, in SF circles it's regarded as solid 24 carat gold classic, and the production values on it were staggering for the time. When I first saw it, way, way back in my youth, it blew my head off, in a way not repeated until Kubriks 2001, all that talk of the creatures of the id, and I only saw it in B&W (only TVs we had then), even though it was made in glorious Technocolour, again very rare for the time.

I think I might go seek it out, have another watch. I know it still stands up well to scrutiny, even nearly 60 years later.

Well done for bringing that up, cee-dee, at least from me.

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Pyro, it's definitely worth buying now, the DVD comes with deleted scenes and extras. It's excellent. 

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Freud was a bit of a cokehead though. He began studying cocaine’s effects in 1884, and his clinical notebooks amply demonstrate that his favourite experimental subject was himself. Initially, Sigmund was eager to employ cocaine as an antidote for his best friend’s morphine addiction. Ernst Fleischl-Marxow was a brilliant physiologist who injured his thumb while dissecting a cadaver, resulting in chronic pain tamed only by large doses of morphine. 

Substituting one addictive drug for another was a common means of treating substance abuse in the late 19th century. Freud, in essence, transformed his friend into an addled cocaine and morphine addict who was dead seven years later at age 45. 

One would think that this episode would have soured Freud on the drug. Yet like most people ensnared by cocaine’s addictive grip, for the next 12 years, he continued to sing its praises and consumed a great deal of cocaine to quell his physical aches and mental anxieties. Freud loved how cocaine made him talk endlessly about memories and experiences he previously thought were locked in his brain for no one to hear, let alone judge.

Freud’s big encounter with the drug occurred in 1895 after he and a colleague named Wilhelm Fleiss nearly killed a patient named Emma Eckstein with a botched operation and too much cocaine. Several nights later, he had a disturbing dream about a party where Eckstein blamed Freud for gross negligence.

When writing about his dream, Freud glossed over his obvious malpractice, an act that today would have resulted in disgrace, loss of medical license, lawsuits and even jail time.

 

The man who invented psychoanalysis, a revolutionary pursuit for self-truth, succumbed to the same “big lie” most every practicing addict tells himself every day.

For the remaining days of his life, Freud had far greater difficulty in fully comprehending the dangerous consequences of his substance abuse. He decidedly, and repeatedly, misinterpreted his famous dream of cocaine. Instead, he chose to elaborate a far more flattering and positive analysis that epitomises an addiction’s power of subterfuge.

 

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i always thought the forbiddin planet was based on the play The Tempest.

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as a kid the id monster and heart beat music made me have sleepless nights.

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