No crisis in Prisons say Tories

[al**bear]

So the Government are telling us, there's No crisis in the Prison system -

it's just every one else involved saying there is

Ditto - The National Health system

Ditto The legal Aid, Probation & court systems

Ditto The Social security system with a special mention for IDSs Universal Credit fiasco

(with Him running about Dads Army style screaming Don't Panic Don't Panic)

Ditto The Passport Offices and immigration systems

Ditto  The Local Government system

Ditto The Education system

Ditto The Road system

Ditto The Armed Forces (especially the Army)

Ditto Employment - re No Hours contracts, very low paid low hours P/T work and the very dubious 'self-employed'   contracts forced on people who don't want them

Ditto The major crisis in Northern Ireland concerning a near total breakdown of the Northern Ireland Assembly and it's quangos

Throw in Scottish Independence

But all the above doesn't seem to be bothering this Government, they've all swanned off on Holiday

 Did I mention - Ebola or the Middle East or Ukraine

So just ignore ALL the above

Osborne & Cameron keep telling us the country's booming and everything in the gardens rosy

Keep Calm and Carry On

[saasher2012]

With the greatest respect, I came from a working class background, my parents came out of the army & navy with nothing they worked for what they had & not only brought up three children but on very little money, two of us went on to Uni, the third continued into a normal life! As I suspect so did a lot of families, so not only have I come from an ordinary family I also know if you want something you have to work to get it, we all have a path to follow & if you choose the wrong one then that is your fault & no one else's. We can all whine & say poor me! But why should we expect others to have to pay for our mistakes. I understand that genuine mistakes are made & most of us learn from them ,those who don't have no intentions of doing so & continue to blame others instead of owning up to their own misdemeanours, the world is full of disadvantaged people who don't cross the line just to keep up with the advantaged & they don't blame others for their misfortunes either! The reason the prison doesn't work is because it's no hardship , three meals a day, some do gooders feeding this chip on the shoulder attitude, entertainment, education etc, etc! They would have got all this if they had applied themselves on the outside when young. Prevention is fine but only if they want to listen.& as most don't what's the point. If you want these people to toe the line then stop feeding them this oh you poor thing attitude!.

[lambsy_uk]

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@saasher2012 wrote:
With the greatest respect, I came from a working class background, my parents came out of the army & navy with nothing they worked for what they had & not only brought up three children but on very little money, two of us went on to Uni, the third continued into a normal life! As I suspect so did a lot of families, so not only have I come from an ordinary family I also know if you want something you have to work to get it, we all have a path to follow & if you choose the wrong one then that is your fault & no one else's. We can all whine & say poor me! But why should we expect others to have to pay for our mistakes. I understand that genuine mistakes are made & most of us learn from them ,those who don't have no intentions of doing so & continue to blame others instead of owning up to their own misdemeanours, the world is full of disadvantaged people who don't cross the line just to keep up with the advantaged & they don't blame others for their misfortunes either! The reason the prison doesn't work is because it's no hardship , three meals a day, some do gooders feeding this chip on the shoulder attitude, entertainment, education etc, etc! They would have got all this if they had applied themselves on the outside when young. Prevention is fine but only if they want to listen.& as most don't what's the point. If you want these people to toe the line then stop feeding them this oh you poor thing attitude!.

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Such a similar background to me and many others. My parents worked 2 jobs each, they had nothing passed on from their parents, brought up 2 kids on very little money but we both went to university. Not only do I come from an ordinary family I also know if you want something you have to work to get it.

You say the World is full of disadvantaged kids who don't cross the line to keep up with the advantaged. Quite, but what about  those who are less then disadvantaged, who are actually hindered by terrible parents who provide little more than misery and amoral thinking. They are not trying to keep up with the advantaged they struggle to keep with the disadvantaged!

We need to break the cycle but the first step is to recognise it exists. You believe we all have a choice of path but what choice does someone have if the only guidance they've had is down a path of crime and imorality? **bleep** parents breed **bleep** kids and so it goes on!

I agree a 'Poor You' attitude is no use but neither is a lack of understanding! Understanding doesn't mean showing sympathy it means appreciating the causes and tackling them. Personally I think prison is too late an itervention, if you want to get draconian about it then remove children from low-life parents at an early age. This is where your social problems stem from but whose got the stomach to make such moves?!

I give you the answer but are you prepared to advocate the solution?

[evoman3957]

Baring some natural cataclysmic event, do gooders will be the downfall of us all. Their doctrine is to meet evil with prayers and reason and they think sacrificing one good soul, to reform one evil one, is odds that will allow good to triumph. If my Family and I needed protection, I'd want it from a Man with a Gun.........NOT a priest. Contrary to what the Bible says, the meek will NOT inherit the earth.....they'll be slaughtered by the Strong / Evil before they get the chance. All problems have a solution, but some require the sort of Backbone many don't have...........so they remain and propagate.

[saasher2012]

I don't have the answers & I also sympathise but most of us are working & paying into the system to help others it is up to the people who receive this to spend it on what it was intended for! I still maintain most of the crime is for a quick easy way out , greed if you will,
The Government killed off work for those who are not academic, what employer nowadays can afford to take on an apprentice , how many can work with their hands in jobs, even in the farming community it's rare nowadays to find a Jack of all trades.you say what of the children who are the offspring of bad parents, sorry that's a cop out! Everyone knows right from wrong, everyone knows the consequences if you do wrong, the decision at the end of the day to cross that line can only be taken by the one breaking the law!
I didn't make them do it, so harsh as it seems they must take the punishment! Welcome to reality !!.

[lambsy_uk]

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@saasher2012 wrote:
Everyone knows right from wrong,

If only!

[saasher2012]

lol. On that we agree on! lol.

[al**bear]

In the UK

You are sent to prison AS punishment , not FOR punishment

We got rid of prison servitude in 1949

we would have a very different prison system if we brought it back, and massive changes to penal laws would be required.

It could turn into a very very expensive exercise and we could find it very difficult to keep or replace Warders, in a more confrontational atmosphere

[al**bear]

[al**bear]

So after much trying and loads of procrastinating and blocking from DWP Officials,

Frank Field has managed to get the REAL info on what is happening to People on IDSs panacea to all the ills of the Benefits system -- Universal Credit - remember how only about a month ago, in a media onslaught He was yet again banging on about How it was going great and everyone loved it and it was right on track.

LIES, DAMN LIES and TORY BENEFIT STATEMENTS

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LEAKED figures reveal that benefit claimants on the Universal Credit (UC) system have become mired in debt, forcing the government to step in to pay their rent.

The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) is making payments direct to landlords for more than half the 70 participants in a “pathfinder” pilot project in Warrington, Cheshire, and the number could rise to 45. Average rent arrears for those in the pilot have doubled to £942.

Frank Field, the Labour MP who obtained the figures, compared Iain Duncan Smith, the work and pensions secretary, to the Red Queen in Lewis Carroll’s Through the Looking-Glass.

“Whatever happens, he [Duncan Smith] says it’s going to plan,” Field said, adding that, regardless of the result of the next election, “Universal Credit will get the chop. It is destroying people’s lives.”

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Crisis what Crisis

[merehazle]

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@saasher2012 wrote:
lol. On that we agree on!lol.

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Life gets complicated don't it Sam  

Anyway... I'm often stunned into disbelief and rage when watching programmes like ''Saint's and sinner's'' where suspended sentences are handed out as if it was time to collect a reward.  Where so many should be banged up for years IMO.

So in reality there is a crisis now. And heaven help us as those convicted have great hope of getting away with it and coming at us again and again. And as we know they do just that.  I would bring back hard labour. In many cases it is obviously deserved. Yes, of course they have a choice. Unlike the victim.  And we are a ''welfare state'' so most crime is for greed not need. We are hardly in Fagin times.

A woman whose son was murdered by a convict out on license has criticised suspended sentences for being too soft and compared them to ''lines at school.''  Caroline Shearer lost her 17 year-old son Jay Whinston after he was stabbed to death at a house party in Essex in October 2012 and now campaigns for tougher sentencing for those who carry a knife.

[Anonymous]

Well would you buy a used car from those two nuggets.

[lambsy_uk]

The purpose of a suspended sentence to to prevent someone from re-offending. Surely that is a worthwhile goal!