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right-then-petal · ‎26-04-2016

http://www.bbc.co.uk/neUnws/uk-england-36138337

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artful_dodgings · ‎26-04-2016

Absolutely correct FA, regarding the Paramedics. I agree entirely they do an absolutely sterling job, not least of all on a week end when the binge drinkers are spilling out onto the streets causing mayhem. It takes a certain kind of person to undertake their job, and I wouldn't hear a word said against them - well who would ? I merely mentioned the fact because this was stated on the news. But as I said, I didn't know for a fact that the reason for this was at the behest of the police. But as you pointed out, it obviously was. Another stroke against them !

aernethril · ‎26-04-2016

@cee-dee wrote:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing?

I don't think anyone involved with any decision-making could have forseen any of the resulting cumulative effects. Cause?

In the end, the result was clearly those "at the back" pushing those "at the front". Cause and effect?

@cee-dee

Please read this article - it's long but it explains so very clearly why criminal proceedings are so very necessary and why your post is totally incorrect.

Any large crowd will result in a degree of pushing - but the reason for the crushing was not because of pushing from behind but because they were effectively channelled / forced into an already filled area through a tiny bottleneck......................

Read it - read just how arrogantly negligent Duckenfield was, how dismissively he viewed the officer he took over from (Ch Supt Brian Mole) who had so much experience in managing these matches.

Read the background to why Duckenfield was moved to that post and all his failings. Read how a totally inexperienced officer was put in charge outside the stadium...................

Please read it very carefully

theguardian hillsborough-disaster-deadly-mistakes-and-lies-that-lasted-decades

It's long and it's utterly devastating to read even after all this time - but then as if that isn't bad enough, read this too and then try this one and tell me how anyone who lied and took action to pervert the course of justice cannot face criminal proceedings.

theguardian how-the-suns-truth-about-hillsborough-unravelled

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al**bear · ‎27-04-2016

The senior Police Officers who ordered their Officers to lie & also change everything in their Notebooks - charge them 'Attempting to defeat the ends of Justice'

The match Commander who 'did it His way' is the main culprit

WE must find out what meetings were held & what was decided on the Sunday involving Thatcher, Her Home Office Civil servants, Local councillors, Tory Politicians and Top Police Officers

No use arguing about PUSHING on here again - Crowds Do not act like individuals People only 'push' when the people behind them are still coming forward, all the way back they are not pushing they are being forced forward

Stupid Police planning from the very start led to the crowds still being outside, just before the KO - example the End given to the Liverpool fans was different from where they were usually placed, BUT their Buses and Cars were still in the same area they had always being put - way behind the opposite End they were occupying - ie they had the away parking but the Home end

Ambulances were BARRED from entering the ground, at the start WHY, only 1 got in

What corruption was in place that rubber stamped a Safety certificate for the totally unsafe Ground

Kevin McKennzie should be made to say exactly what Politicians (as well as the already Known Tory MP Sir Irvine Patnick) and Police Officers gave Him the story packed full of Lies - Press protecting their sources should not be a factor when the Story given was a pack of Lies, given out to deceive

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This should NEVER have happened,

We were told after the 1971 IBROX disaster that things like that would never happen again in the UK, this was the main outcome published in 1973 from the Public Inquiry into the death of 66 Fellow Bears

16 Years before Hillsborough a promise was made it was broken