A new low, even for eBay.

[harhar62]

In terms of bad taste, does it get any worse than this  ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2852199/That-s-not-festive-Masks-jailed-paedophile-Rolf-Harr...

"rolf harris"

[arty_facts]

I think you should direct your ire at the seller.

[harhar62]

Maybe eBay should direct something at them.

[ravendays]

Imagine having to read every word of every spam e-mail or every word in junk mail posted through your door?  No, you can't do it and neither can ebay.

[generalfuzuki]

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@harhar62 wrote:

In terms of bad taste, does it get any worse than this  ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2852199/That-s-not-festive-Masks-jailed-paedophile-Rolf-Harr...

"rolf harris"

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It's actually quite a useful device, a mask like this. For example if I am at a party and see somebody wearing one of these, then I know straight away that it is somebody I dont particulary want to waste time talking to. So it has saved me that uncomfortable seasonal conundrum of falling into friendly conversation and only slowly coming to realise it is with a complete basket case.

[jh-middlesex]

I think people need to get a sense of hmour and lighten up

[Anonymous]

Whenever a "celebrity" gets in to trouble, there will always be those who exploit the situation for self-promotion, profit or for "laughs" - a lot of comedians and panel shows would be lost without it!

You only have to look at all those who "knew" Saville was a wrong 'un, but only mention it now - Michael Buerk for instance, who apparently regrets not chucking Saville in to the sea when he met him, despite the fact that, at the time, Saville had no "reputation".

It's a weird old world!

[harhar62]

"I think people need to get a sense of hmour and lighten up"

Tell it to the kids he molested, I'm sure they'd see the funny side.

[generalfuzuki]

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@jh-middlesex wrote:

I think people need to get a sense of hmour and lighten up

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I believe that is what he reputedly said himself in the dock.

[northy--7]

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@jh-middlesex wrote:

I think people need to get a sense of hmour and lighten up

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I wouldn't want a sense of humour if it meant finding anything related to this sort of abuse funny.

[the-black-jackal]

I agree.

Just how much imported tat for sale here is made by exploitative child labour?

[northy--7]

I've never seen anybody suggest that the existence of one form of abuse means people should find products related to other forms of abuse funny before.

It's a strange argument that.

[Anonymous]

Hello

I am definetely living on another planet !!!!

[the-black-jackal]

Strange argument, not what I said at all, but if you must then do the maths: one Rolf Harris, years later his alleged victims belatedly rush to the courts to prosecute a retired mulit millionaire, but millions of pounds worth of far eastern junk sold here and on our high streets daily without question.

It is all wrong.

To reverse the argument here , what have YOU personally done, Mr southport to curb exploitative child labour?

Gotta go, have a £2k hand made woven Persian rug to collect in the morning. Bargain!

[arfurshelly]

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@the-black-jackal wrote:
Strange argument, not what I said at all, but if you must then do the maths: one Rolf Harris, years later his alleged victims belatedly rush to the courts to prosecute a retired mulit millionaire, but millions of pounds worth of far eastern junk sold here and on our high streets daily without question.

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Mr. Harris was found guilty of offences by a jury of his peers after the presentation of convincing evidance that he did indeed commit those offences.  Not sure what you are implying, but I'd be pretty sure that the victims (and others) would read into your comment that nothing really happened and that it was all just because he is well off.  The speed of the events was driven by the fact it was a high profile problem within an industry that was granted a high level of trust within society and the public were extremely saddened by the events and wanted it dealt with ASAP - not because Harris was rich.

Unless you have actually been, or have supported somebody that has been a victim of s3xual abuse, I don't think you really know what it's like to have to deal with....  Sometimes, victims will only come forward ('rush the the courts to prosecute' in your words) once a claim, or claims, have already been made by other third parties - this really does happen.  And it may indeed be many years before somebody finally does come forward - 'belated'.  Honestly.....  Yes - there is the risk/possibility that some victims may be lying - but that's up to the Police to sort out.

I'm not even going to work out the point you are trying to make comparing s3xual offences to child labour.

[fromhereandthere]

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@arfurshelly wrote:

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@the-black-jackal wrote:
Strange argument, not what I said at all, but if you must then do the maths: one Rolf Harris, years later his alleged victims belatedly rush to the courts to prosecute a retired mulit millionaire, but millions of pounds worth of far eastern junk sold here and on our high streets daily without question.

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Mr. Harris was found guilty of offences by a jury of his peers after the presentation of convincing evidance that he did indeed commit those offences.  Not sure what you are implying, but I'd be pretty sure that the victims (and others) would read into your comment that nothing really happened and that it was all just because he is well off.  The speed of the events was driven by the fact it was a high profile problem within an industry that was granted a high level of trust within society and the public were extremely saddened by the events and wanted it dealt with ASAP - not because Harris was rich.

Unless you have actually been, or have supported somebody that has been a victim of s3xual abuse, I don't think you really know what it's like to have to deal with....  Sometimes, victims will only come forward ('rush the the courts to prosecute' in your words) once a claim, or claims, have already been made by other third parties - this really does happen.  And it may indeed be many years before somebody finally does come forward - 'belated'.  Honestly.....  Yes - there is the risk/possibility that some victims may be lying - but that's up to the Police to sort out.

I'm not even going to work out the point you are trying to make comparing s3xual offences to child labour.

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Lots of good and valid arguments from all contributors, but not so sure they're all equally valid regarding the original topic.

I would strongly argue against the comment ''that's up to the Police to sort out'' ....... do you or anyone else believe the police are doing a great job in any aspect of their work ?   I could give you a zillion tales of police corruption, drug taking, evidence faking, lying under oath to get a conviction etc etc, to such an extent that the only reason I use the police is because it's illegal to take the law into my own hands.

As for mr harris, I suppose it has to be a case of no smoke without fire, but is it any worse to wear a mask of him  as oposed to say a mask of that great man tony liar, who caused untold misery to potentially millions of people ? David Cameron supports a scumbag drug user (Nigella Lawson) and our future monarch was hobnobbing with another celebrity drug user and wonderful role model for your daughters (Kate Moss) yet people still find masks of them to be funny - where do you draw the line and who makes the decisions on censorship ?   

[arfurshelly]

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@fromhereandthere wrote:

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@arfurshelly wrote:

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@the-black-jackal wrote:
Strange argument, not what I said at all, but if you must then do the maths: one Rolf Harris, years later his alleged victims belatedly rush to the courts to prosecute a retired mulit millionaire, but millions of pounds worth of far eastern junk sold here and on our high streets daily without question.

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Mr. Harris was found guilty of offences by a jury of his peers after the presentation of convincing evidance that he did indeed commit those offences.  Not sure what you are implying, but I'd be pretty sure that the victims (and others) would read into your comment that nothing really happened and that it was all just because he is well off.  The speed of the events was driven by the fact it was a high profile problem within an industry that was granted a high level of trust within society and the public were extremely saddened by the events and wanted it dealt with ASAP - not because Harris was rich.

Unless you have actually been, or have supported somebody that has been a victim of s3xual abuse, I don't think you really know what it's like to have to deal with....  Sometimes, victims will only come forward ('rush the the courts to prosecute' in your words) once a claim, or claims, have already been made by other third parties - this really does happen.  And it may indeed be many years before somebody finally does come forward - 'belated'.  Honestly.....  Yes - there is the risk/possibility that some victims may be lying - but that's up to the Police to sort out.

I'm not even going to work out the point you are trying to make comparing s3xual offences to child labour.

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I would strongly argue against the comment ''that's up to the Police to sort out'' ....... do you or anyone else believe the police are doing a great job in any aspect of their work ?  

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That's not the point.

Whether they do, or do not do a good job - it is STILL their job to sort out the truth from the lies - they own that process.  I never made any comment as to their efficiency (which is often a cause for concern)!

As for the face mask - I guess if you can walk around with a mask of the devil on your fizzogg, or Hitler (add any other bad taste villain mask...) then I don't understand the Harris thing.

Maybe we should just ban everything.  It's the only way to be sure.....

[mandrakescastle]

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@harhar62 wrote:

In terms of bad taste, does it get any worse than this  ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2852199/That-s-not-festive-Masks-jailed-paedophile-Rolf-Harr...

"rolf harris"

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The short answer to that is Yes. On that article, there's a link to this one:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2846095/Sickening-Trumps-style-paedophile-card-game-condemne...

[mandrakescastle]

BTW, has anyone played Cards Against Humanity, which seems to be one of this year's big sellers and considered "acceptable"? It's an interesting exercise in "Where do you draw the line between humour and sick?".

[northy--7]

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@the-black-jackal wrote:

To reverse the argument here , what have YOU personally done, Mr southport to curb exploitative child labour?

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PMSL, text book Q+A, you didn't reverse the argument, you completely changed what it was about.

The fact that there's worse things in the world than the items being discussed doesn't reduce the contempt I feel towards them, or the people who think they're funny, or the people who make them, or those who think that the existence of worse things somehow makes their existence acceptable.

Anybody who can find any humour in anything related to any sort of abuse of children has a problem.

To answer your question, I bank with financial institutions who have stated ethical policies, I buy food and clothing from organisations who subscribe to fair trade. I don't give a penny of my money to any organisation or business that has ever had confirmed associations with child labour.

More important though, is what I don't do, I don't just shrug my shoulders and say never mind, there's worse things to get upset about.