03-01-2025 10:47 AM - edited 03-01-2025 10:51 AM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/buying/paying-items/buyer-protection?id=5594
75p plus 4% buyers fee, so something which was priced at £5 will be £5.95 in February.
03-01-2025 11:17 PM
' Most business sellers are either a fake company for money laundering, or they stole a whole HGV full of what you see getting sold.......I know this from experience. '
Bit harsh, mate.
I'm sure there are crooks amongst the business sellers (and yes, I've seen one or two accounts that had no apparent reason for existing other than money laundering) I'm also sure there's crooks and rip off artists among the private sellers as well.
But 99% of business sellers I've ever had dealings with have all been honest and rather good at their jobs...
03-01-2025 11:20 PM
Well said, but this is only the beginning, they cancelled Paypal because they wasn't getting any revenue/ or not as much as expected. So that was the first spanner in the works. and slowly, almost under the radar they implement sneaky ways to get money from the private seller. They can go get FKD.
Id rather burn my items than let these thieves get any money from me.
03-01-2025 11:28 PM - edited 03-01-2025 11:36 PM
Adding fees that the buyer pays (it's just a sales tax disguised as a Buyer Protection Fee, a corporation pretending to be a nation state and making up it's own VAT) is one thing, but not paying sellers until the item is delivered is another. And notice it is 2 days after it has been delivered! So we are not going to get paid for something like 5 days or more. Imagine going into a book shop and buying some books, then saying "I'll pay you in 5-7 days time is that okay? " Somebody is taking the p*ss. Or going to Farmfoods for a loaf of bread and paying for it after you've eaten it. Pfft.
Often the couriers & postal service get it wrong, even the Royal Mail. If they don't click on the right button on their app or machine thingy, there'll be no notification. And what about hand delivered/collected items? Not everyone has a smart phone to zap those barcode thingys. That is discrimination and thus unlawful?
But as I understand UK law, a seller has the right to not deliver a product until it has been paid for - thus ebay withholding the money is an infringement of sellers legal rights? Can they get away with that?
And we all know that holding on to a million small payments for a couple of extra days rakes Ebay in lots of money in interest on the holding account, as at corporate level interest can be paid by the second.
04-01-2025 12:03 AM - edited 04-01-2025 12:04 AM
As a private seller before the free FVF garbage update that basically screwed business sellers over, the FVF was 10%.
Was 10%
Then 0%
Now (Up to 4%) (Buyer)
Still being a 6% reduction in what you can undercut a business seller by if you willing to undercut on your price to cover the price bump from this new protecting fee. Either way its cheaper than the base 10% private sellers were originally paying.
eBays stunt is now more clear than it was before, push the free eBay selling over December, attracting a massive boost in members and shoppers over the busiest time of the year.
Pull the rug 2 months later and show all is not as good as a private seller as what it was promoted to be.
As a business seller, I'm still well salty about the last update and still not happy at all now, this change helps from a business sellers aspect to a point as the previous update was heavily against a business seller, this recent announcement levels it out somewhat but it's still unbalanced in my opinion however eBay doubles down and decides to upset private sellers and potential shoppers.
I think congratulations are in order, apart from members that just shop and know nothing of what is happening to sellers, eBay just alienates not only business sellers, but decides to throw in the private sellers as well. Oh everyone that gives buyers something to buy.
You cannot give something as big as the free FVF from 10% and then expect it to go well when you add back a fee anymore than giving free FVF to private sellers and giving nothing to business sellers.
I don't grasp eBay thinking sometimes I really don't.
04-01-2025 12:32 AM
Totally agree , everytime the ebay survey asks me i always say just charge a blanket fee of 5% on sold items , its enough to make them money and not too much to put people off selling and that way people can continue to list low value items , a bit more for business sellers but they get to list more like they do now.
04-01-2025 2:22 AM
04-01-2025 2:31 AM
04-01-2025 2:34 AM
04-01-2025 2:51 AM
04-01-2025 3:07 AM
@m-bevis-1815 wrote:Imagine going into a book shop and buying some books, then saying "I'll pay you in 5-7 days time is that okay? " Somebody is taking the p*ss. Or going to Farmfoods for a loaf of bread and paying for it after you've eaten it. Pfft.
If you pay for the loaf of bread using a debit card then you may well have eaten it by the time Farmfoods receives the funds as it takes 2 days for a card payment to be processed.
04-01-2025 8:49 AM
No, buyers were already covered eBay buyer protection. This fee offers no additional protection to the buyer. It's a scam from eBay punishing private sellers and buyers who buy from private sellers.
04-01-2025 9:03 AM
@poshboutique2 wrote:No, buyers were already covered eBay buyer protection. This fee offers no additional protection to the buyer. It's a scam from eBay punishing private sellers and buyers who buy from private sellers.
According to the FAQ the only additional protection above the money back guarantee the buyer is paying for is the holding onto the funds until after delivery which doesn't make sense as that's not the buyer's liability anyway it's protecting ebay's interests under their guarantee.
Is a complete disingenuous word-soup of an idea that never should have progressed this far.
04-01-2025 9:05 AM
@copysent I suppose it was only a matter of time before some petty, ill-informed poster posted this sort of vindictive comment.
If a private seller is, say, selling a record collection, they may have many thousands of items to sell. At present, they can list 300 items per month, and sell (in theory) everything they list, plus those which have rolled over from previous months. All this can be done within the rules set down by eBay, and within the law of the land. Genuine private sellers have little effect on business sellers, who accept their existence and their right to sell - the problem really lies with the business sellers masquerading as private..
One of the reasons private sellers sell is to raise money, e.g. for a holiday, or a new washing machine. Your proposal would make that impossible in many cases.
Then you (laughingly) suggest such sellers should not only be automatically deemed to be business sellers, but should also be forced to become VAT-registered. This is ridiculous. I am posting from a business account, a limited company which has been trading for a few years now, without coming near to the threshold for VAT registration. Many business sellers are in the same boat, with no desire to reach such a level, and would close down, rather than deal with such a situation.
In the extremely unlikely event that eBay introduced something along the lines you suggest, there would be nobody left selling but bigger businesses, and there would be no point buying on eBay as almost all of these sellers will have their own website, often offering the same goods for lower prices.
Of course, your comment may simply have been a lame attempt at a wind-up, in which case, I apologise for taking the bait.
04-01-2025 9:19 AM
I agree there are better ways to solve this issue. It is by far imperfect, albeit, this is pretty similar to what other marketplaces are doing and I think the outrage is hyperbole by some people. Business sellers have been calling for similar implementations of which you mentioned for a long time. However, I definitely see the frustration for sellers of low-value items with the 75p minimum fee, but it may just increase the price floor for cheap items..
04-01-2025 9:27 AM
04-01-2025 10:01 AM
I have been an eBay seller for years, don’t sell on this account any longer. I was a private seller of advancing years who ‘still’ have a job and pay taxes on it.
I have always noted this wedge that is driven between private and business sellers - many business sellers believe a large proportion of private sellers are just tax evaders masquerading as private sellers. This is mostly utter bunkum, yes some are easily recognisable as sellers of often new goods or extremely high volumes of second hand items. HOWEVER - how do you define who is who?
I can only look at my situation, I’m elderly (still working and paying tax), have a vast amount of items that I wish to move on, most inexpensive and low value, too much grief to do car boot sales and possibly too specialist to sell there anyway? What have I got to sell you may ask?
I’ve got about 1000 postcards, inherited and some of my own, tour programs, tickets and music merchandise from my youth, magazines from when I drove sports cars, a collection of about 1000 Hard Rock Cafe pins - which I collected from the 80’s - a lot from eBay in the 00’s. I have an abundance of tat, old screwdrivers and tools from my late father in law, stamps from both my youth and have just been left about 5,000 FDC’s by my late brother. If I ‘could’ list them all it would amount to possibly 10k in items - but such a volume does not make me a business. Just someone who wants rid and to help pay his ‘taxed’ heating bills and try to reduce his bulging walls before his daughter throws it all in the bin! the majority of homes with garages can’t get a car in it because it’s full of stuff too good to throw and could be sold, I have 3 attics full and bursting!!!!
Now a large percentage of my items are valued at less than £2 - but obey want me to be a safe seller and insure my buyers, they also want to keep my money while the buyer ascertains the £2 purchase was not a rip off - LOL.
I’ve purchased 1000’s of items on obey over the years - most from private sellers, sadly I’d have to say whenever I have had a problem, it’s usually with a ‘business’ and NOT a private seller. This will probably rile Buisiness sellers - who in the main are good, but a large amount are NOT. Especially goods coming into the UK via third parties.
I purchased a watch from a business seller just before Christmas - expensive, ‘working’ - arrived, not working, told get a battery it will work - yes it did, but I had to go get a battery and have it fitted. They said it had been in the safe and was working - but would you send out a £700 watch, knowing it did not work - and especially when I’d asked if it was in FWO? So much for needing to insure private sellers - still laughing!
I will not be partaking of the ‘new’ rules, I started selling small amounts on FB and elsewhere with some success, all my buyers never have any issue because I’m honest, unlike the platform that eludes to being ‘free to sell’. Obey should open their eyes, these small sales create a flow of income which comes back into both business and private sellers hands and in turn gives them the platform to advertise and make further income. I think they are now killing that at a stroke, I’m off to specialist FB sites, other auction sites where I may indeed have less sales, but hey I don’t need it, it’s more a hobby than an income, more a clearance than a desperate need to make some cash. Not happening ebay, I’ll be closing my other account and saying goodbye, it was once fun here, but now too much *bleep*ing and too many blinkered professionals!
04-01-2025 10:02 AM
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04-01-2025 12:37 PM
Hardle an internet myth.
We are down 32% Q4 23 v Q4 24 on eBay, it's not a coincidence that the fee free selling was introduced on Oct 1 the start of Q4.
It is not the economy due to seeing growth on other marketplaces and our own WS.
As a business you need to find out why there is such a drop and this starts with checking your competition, there was/is private sellers offering brand new sealed games at qty, the same titles as we were selling but they were at least £5 cheaper than us, who will get the sale? If someone can save a fiver they will, I know who I would buy from.
I also know how closed the video game distribution network is, they will not deal with private sellers some will not even sell to sole traders, so where are they getting the games as a private seller, they certainly are not collectors, why and how would someone have 100 copies of FC25 if they aren't a business?
I really can't blame them, it's fantastic opportunity to make some extra money by paying no fees, lower prices, faster turnover and still be ahead of us and don't have to worry about change of mind returns when a game has been bought as a gift so we have to accept a return back to us which causes us a loss on outbound postage we have to absorb.
I have nothing against a private seller but there is those blatantly abusing the system.
eBay are not holding your funds for 14 days if you used a tracked service to ship your items you will be paid on delivery, to be fair in this day and age a tracked service is a must to protect against false item not received claims.
04-01-2025 12:39 PM - edited 04-01-2025 12:41 PM
They should at least scrap the 70p fee for items under 10£.