ICYMI - Last Minute Buyer Fee Change, Will Be Phased In Starting With Electronics

In case you missed it - eBay will *not* be adding Buyer Fees in all categories tomorrow, instead opting for a phased rollout starting in Electronics and then expanding to other categories "in the following weeks."

 

The update was tucked into a broader announcement posted to the community earlier today:

 

https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/Announcements/Buyer-Protection-Pok%C3%A9mon-Day-VAT-invoices-amp-oth...

 

Starting from 4 February, Buyer Protection will be live to give buyers more peace of mind when shopping on ebay.co.uk. To minimise any potential disruption on our platform, the Buyer Protection fee will be gradually rolled out across items listed by private sellers, starting in Electronics and coming to all eligible categories in the following weeks.

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Now that is interesting as Vinted are introducing electronics sales to start  their expansion to include different items other than clothing. @valueaddedresource

 

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'All eligible categories' implies that it wont be across the board.

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and all these wonderful changes are because we private sellers wanted them......  

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No, it means categories such as motors etc will be excluded as they are not eligible.

 

 

 

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Now that is interesting as Vinted are introducing electronics sales to start  their expansion to include different items other than clothing. @valueaddedresource

 

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@vintique*violet wrote:

Now that is interesting as Vinted are introducing electronics sales to start  their expansion to include different items other than clothing. @valueaddedresource

 


Thanks @vintique*violet  - I hadn't made that connection. I just figured they decided to start with just one category so they could easily roll it back if needed but didn't put much thought into why they would start with electronics...you're right, in light of what is going on at Vinted, that is interesting!

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Mmm.  Maybe the message is getting through that many people are upset.

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For those who sell clothing and/or  electronics and do not mind that Vinted is a similar concept which ebay have now copied, it may be worth checking Vinted out to see if that platform serves better? ie. traffic , interest, sales? 

 

I sell neither, so have no interest either way, but it will be interesting what " expansions" Vinted are proposing in the future? 

 

 

 

 

 

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I do think it's more likely that eBay simply wasn't ready to implement the buyers' fee across the board. It would have been a huge undertaking.

 

If it had been a change of heart/policy, it would have been dealt with better, even by eBay, and they would have tried to milk it for some credit, and there has been no such fanfare.

 

Giving less than 12 hours notice suggests simple incompetence, rather than a change of tack.

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@doumind_7 wrote:

Mmm.  Maybe the message is getting through that many people are upset.


No-one knows how many people are upset, there are maybe 100 upset members who are posting on these boards.

 

Of course I accept that there will be upset people who don't find their way here, but an awful lot of those who are posting are new to the boards, so it is possible (but not likely) that only 100 out of the millions and millions of private sellers are actually upset.

 

Someone else posted that most private sellers are upset, that is equally unprovable.

 

I posit that a few sellers are upset and most sellers are not.

 

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I posit that a few sellers are upset and most sellers are not.

How do you know?


 
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How do you know?

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Looks like eBay and Vinted are going to "get it on".

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doumind_7
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They are worried. They've cocked up big time and,are trying to backtrack. Its obvious. You don't just change a major policy decision hours before its supposed to start without a very good reason.

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@doumind_7 wrote:
I posit that a few sellers are upset and most sellers are not.

How do you know?


 

Do you understand what 'posit' means?

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@vinylscot wrote:

I do think it's more likely that eBay simply wasn't ready to implement the buyers' fee across the board. It would have been a huge undertaking.

 

If it had been a change of heart/policy, it would have been dealt with better, even by eBay, and they would have tried to milk it for some credit, and there has been no such fanfare.

 

Giving less than 12 hours notice suggests simple incompetence, rather than a change of tack.


@vinylscot normally I would also be on the side of incompetence but this time, I honestly think it's more than that.

 

I happen to follow the stock and earnings news for eBay very closely, including direct personal conversations with several market analysts who cover eBay - and to say everyone is on pins and needles about how buyer fees are going to work out would be an understatement.

 

You may or may not be aware, but here in the US, Mercari and Poshmark both tried to switch to a buyer fee model last year with absolutely disastrous results in terms of buyer reaction and falling sales.

 

Poshmark received so much backlash, they reverted back to their old fee structure in less than 2 weeks.

 

Mercari blundered through almost 9 months of hemorrhaging buyers and sales before changing their fee structure again in December to a hybrid model where sellers pay commission and buyers pay a smaller "protection" fee and by all indications, the damage to their business may well be irreparable at this point.

 

Investors and analysts are well aware of how badly this has gone for other companies and the only thing eBay has really offered to calm their nerves is to say they believe the UK market is just different from the US and that UK buyers will be more tolerant of paying the fees, citing Vinted and Depop (but mostly Vinted) as examples, so it won't be a problem.

 

But just because eBay says something doesn't mean it's true, nor does it mean that it will assuage investor concerns....and in fact at least two analysts I'm aware of have recently downgraded eBay stock to a sell citing concerns about all of these changes in the UK, lower revenue, increasing fees in the US, and eBay increasingly having to try to squeeze more money out of Promoted Listings because they seem incapable of figuring out how to actually organically bring in more buyers and/or increase sales on the platform.

 

So there is a lot more riding on this Buyer Fee thing than it might appear at first glance and that's why I am actually learning toward the sudden change to a phased rollout being more about risk management and mitigation than any technical or competency limitations.

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Yes you can't spell posted.
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@doumind_7 wrote:
Yes you can't spell posted.

Hilarious, but wrong.

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Spot  on and most interesting. I think they are already backtracking. They've got themselves in an unholy mess with this. You don't make an announcement of "phasing it in" over a major policy decision hours before it starts.  Or are they that incompetent? 

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I agree it's possible, but don't you think eBay would have put out some sort of notice saying they had taken notice of member sentiment, so had decided to phase in the buyers' fee gradually, to minimise disruption, or some other corporate word salad? I'm sure they would want to take some credit, which they badly need.

 

Their failure to do something like that is what leads me to suspect incompetence as a more likely cause.

 

If there is a nod to the possibility that it may never be implemented, that is obviously a good thing. Perhaps they are now going to invest some time to work out how they can undo it, if necessary, once it has been implemented, as that will be another huge task.

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