I have a selling account, had it for 20 years, ..eBay now want Photo ID?

[j-r-hartley]

Had an selling account for 20 years (this isnt it) I'm a UK seller,  haven't sold a great deal, feedback is still under 1000,  last year after about a year of not using the account I started to sell again, not a lot but eBay first treated me like I hadn't been a member for 20 years and insisted on holding some of the sales (low value s/h items) until I confirmed my bank account (which i'd done a couple of years prior). they wanted to send me a certain amount and I was to confirm etc, they also restricted the value of the items I could sell so I had to ask them via live chat to up the limits or a car I was selling would not list etc, in the end after a few sales things seemed to correct themselves and I was paid straight away for items>

Roll on to may 2024, I've sold a few items over the months, in the last 2 weeks i've sold an item at £225 and one at £125, both collection only, both items have had no problems and i have a couple more items listed. Not electrical goods or high value items etc.  just normal stuff, some new and unused, most second hand and used etc

So today I logged on, I get a pop up stating they wanted me to ID myself, this would be in the form of a driving licence, passport or govt ID...and oh by the way any transactions are held until I comply?   

I don't sell high value / high risk items, I have 100% feedback,  I've had zero returns , my bank account is verified, they have my email address (verified with them some time ago, they send me emails re items listed or sold, email has notnot changed) they send me texts to my phone re delivery notices if i've bought something to collect, my physical address has not changed in all the time i've had the selling account.

and now they want the ID from me, no warning, no time schedule to complete but simply comply and until I do any funds are to be held over.

Furthermore, they want the ID but don't actually tell me where it will be stored, who will have access to it and such like all of which seems very wrong.

Anyone else had this?

[leighbayuk]

I just changed address and this seems to have triggered this photo ID request. Never had this before in 24 years of selling. I am witing to their DPO as I have concerns over the processing of this personal data.

• DVLA explicitly advise against sharing a photo of your driving licence. This is why they provide a licence check service. Why are eBay not using this?
• How will my photo ID be processed? The eBay privacy policy states that AI is used "To support fraud detection and compliance checks" and that they "use personal data collected from our users to train, test, validate, and align our own AI models as well as third-party AI models and systems".
• Where will the file be stored (which geographic region, will it be transferred internationally)?
• How long will it be retained? The eBay privacy policy states that "The specific retention periods for personal data are documented in our regional data retention guidelines". Where can I find this?

[c_of_e84]

Once you hav uploaded the data theres no telling what will happen but thats not just ebay its everywhere.

[leighbayuk]

Exactly, my concern is that this is a process they have just bolted onto their systems. I want to know more about where they are storing all these highly sensitive files. I was a member back in 2014 when they had a data breach which affected 145 million users.

https://www.twingate.com/blog/tips/ebay-data-breach

[patay-9714]

unfortunately Ebay have no interest in our opinions , highly likely that this is a co ordinated policy with the World Economic Forum , our concerns will be dismissed , they always are but at least we are capable of realising that all these dystopian policies are not designed in reality to keep us 'safe' 

[theelench]

This morning I read an article (something to do with Dystopian Creep) about ICE / DHS in the US now using Facial Recognition on random people they stop, using the 'suspects' mobile phones to tap into databases containing 200 million I.Ds.  From what I read it seems this in itself is unconstitutional in the US and not allowed without 'due cause' (whatever that may be).

I'm not saying that this sort of thing is happening / will happen in the UK, but I was shocked that the tech. is already here that enables them to do it.

I wondered which data bases they were 'tapping into', why 200 million faces were on them and why those 200 million people had put their photos on them ?

Edited:  The article was by Raw Story.  The title was "ICE agents now using ' pure dystopian creep' technology to nab people: watchdog.

[cobwebcottage]

Facial recognition has been used in the UK for many years now by the Police and Government security services. It is linked to databases which will already have millions of photographs. PNC, DVLA, Immigration etc.

If you have nothing to hide then it will not affect you and only increase the security for the country. In my ideal world, everyone would be microchipped.

[leighbayuk]

Ah, the classic nothing to hide argument.

[theelench]

I may have nothing to hide and be totally safe today, but what if some nutter becomes PM ten years from now and decides that any left-handed citizen is a threat to national security ?  Too late to have second thought then.

[leighbayuk]

Have you just leaked that your are left handed?

I'll add you to the database... 😉

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[cobwebcottage]

'Prevention is better than cure' to quote another cliche for @leighbayuk 

The little person cannot stop the nutter as history shows but we can learn from it and try to make the country a safer place. Over our paygrades so we have to trust in the science.

[patay-9714]

privacy is a human right, most people are reasonably honest, we should not be treated as potential criminals , unfortunately many people are sheep and do not see the dangers ahead , they follow the arrows , its very disturbing , thankfully i am old now and have no children , very shocked by some of the comments here 

[fear-is-the-mind-ki11er]

If you have nothing to hide ? In my ideal world, everyone would be microchipped. You are happy to be a tagged and chipped slave if you only new who in charge of the distopia..  imagine orwell 1984 in steroids that's what is planned if you bother to look into it

[cobwebcottage]

Yes, no one will be interested in little old me going about doing my daily routine. But if there was a major incident nearby or someone attacked you or a member of your family, it would certainly help to identify who was around at the time.

[fear-is-the-mind-ki11er]

Well said sir I'm the same I have no kids but thay don't no what there signing up for 

[patay-9714]

its always interesting to see who considers such comments helpful 

[theelench]

😮   Oops  ............or perhaps it was a double bluff  ?

[theelench]

No, we certainly do not have to trust the science or the elites that deploy it. 

That's why revolutions start.  When the elite goes too far and millions of little people start muttering "Enough is enough".

E.G.  The USA .   Russia (twice)

Do I trust ebay .uk not to send my photo / NINO to California.  No I don't so I won't give it.  If you're happy to, good for you and you too could end up on one of the databases that ICE is thumbing through.  Not so good if you go to the USA on holiday perhaps.

[patay-9714]

no we do not have to trust the 'science' we are not obliged to trust anybody 

[cobwebcottage]

In an ideal world where everything is butterflies and daises, maybe.  You just need to look at the daily headlines to see the increase of serious crimes in our country to see that any improvement on security and safety is a necessity. If we had had facial recognition in the last century, many lives would have been saved.

Hopefully in the future, it will be in every town and city in daily use and we can feel safer for ourselves and our families walking down the street.

[theelench]

Precisely and the amount of distrust should grow in direct proportion to the intrusiveness of the information being demanded.

With the amount of information ebay NOW has on all its sellers, it should be the safest site in the world. 

Is that really the case............?