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i htried to do somthing this morning that i have not done in many many years i tried to claim job seekers allowance..

 

1 .. drive to town and pay 2 hours parking as i did not know how long it woul take..

2.. go in job center at 9 o clock as doors open man says you have to go home and do it on line, exit job center 9.01 2 hours parking wasted....

3... go home log into where i have to log into and start a very very long form it says about an hour to fill in...

4... i get about 50 mins in and it asked something about oh;s pension that i did not know answer to.( he is gone out)so wrote down my unique number and put pass word in twice to fininsh it later

5..just gone back on line and put log in  code and pass word in and it tells me i have to use a different browser so log out log in again and try again and after putting in code and password it does not recognise so try again it does not recognise so look for help page.

6.. help page says if you forget you code and password or if it does not work you have to start the whole application again from srcatch...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggg

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And when you actually end up completing the form, it will tell you you're not eligible anyway...  (Sorry: I'm sure it won't - but those online forms are a nightmare!)

 

Have a glass of wine and some choccy, and start again tomorrow (((hugs)))

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Absolutely typical of anything to do with the DWP.  They couldn't organise a booze up in a brewery.

 

Good luck Cookie.

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Oh Cookie, I send you all my sympathy, poor girl.  My brother, who was my mother's designated carer for 8 years, has recently gone through the same, after her death.

 

Now, he is not a man of many words, but he was almost in tears when he phoned and asked for my help - because just like you, he experienced the same.  What if you do not have anyone to ask - or you don't know someone someone with access to a PC?  So, I got him sorted out - but he's on the phone asking about this or that - and I'll Google it and hope for the best.  From what I have seen and read we are going backwards to means testing and bedroom tax - I cannot tell you how angry it makes me.

 

He is a clever man, has a degree in something mathematical I could not begin to tell you about, and he found it hard to navigate around the system, doesn't matter who you are.  Gave up his job because my mother was only supposed to live a year.  A real short straw.  I'll shurrup now because that's a whole other book.

 

I hope you get sorted heart

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nothing is ever easy when dealing with the unemployment agency.

hope you get it sorted soon Cookie .... onwards and upwards mate!!! xxx

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Chin up Cookie, tomorrow is another day. Deep breath and start again.

These online forms do your head in.
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if it goes wrong tomorrow my puter could be flying through the window...

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Mrs W has just been kicked of incapacity benefit after 2 ATOS "assesments"  and was told to go to the job centre plus on the following monday to claim jobseekers allowance. So off she goes sees a woman who says that as she is looking after Onions she should claim income support until she is 5 and gave her a phone number to ring.

So she rings this number and the woman starts asking all the usual questions, and Jan says "I can fill it in oline if thats easier" Oh no this one isn't available online so she pends half an hour on the phone answering hundreds of questions, at the end of which the woman says  "We will send the completed form for you to check and sign and return in the envelope provided"  And some days later it arrives and half the questions have UNANSWERED against them so she has to go through, correct it... signing and dating each alteration,  And is there an envelope? Of course not.

And weare still waiting for the full ATOS assesments to be provided so we can appeal. Strangely they are taking their own sweet time doing that.



In the meantime she has started lamotrigine for her newly diagnosed epilepsy ( still waiting for her urgent EEG after her second fit last June) and Has been put on MSTs and Oramorph for her pain ( pelvic adhesions) after years on dihydrocodeine.

Fit for work? You betcha!

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Oh folks, welcome to my world.  I am on the Work Programme and have to attend (usually) 3 meetings a week.  For these appointments, which change all the time, we get letters through the post (so do I get a letter with 3 appointments?  No, I get 3 letters).  This week I got one, and had to call in to ask if there were any more.  If you miss an appointment, you lose your benefit for 4 weeks - EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T GET A LETTER.  This morning they went one better - I had my letter, went in as instructed, only to be told my advisor was in another town all day.  No meeting.  I asked if I could sanction her for non-attendance.  No laughter ensued.

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Sorry but what they will more than likely do is turn her down on after the mandatory reconsideration.  If your wife decides to proceed with the appeal, they will stop her benefits completely I've no doubt.  Good luck.

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This is the sort of stuff I was reading when trying to find out all the basics for my brother - you know you follow a link and then have to find out what it's all about, and I was appalled.

 

Tommy has told me about a couple of guys who are obviously unwell and not play acting and they all had to work at the Commonwealth Games - as labourers - not Clydesiders -' Glasgow Smiles Better ' - including these 2 men (deemed fit) - or they would lose their benefits.

 

He said it was hard physical work and had he been 20 years younger it would have been easier for him, he was working with a lot of young guys, and thankfully the young guys helped out, but he says the 2 deemed fit should not have been there.

 

That's not right and I feel sorry for people caught up in this part of the system, which thankfully my brother is not.

 

Poor Jan, please Neil, give her a hug from me.

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I just feel incensed for everyone affected dm17YuJ.gif

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The more I read from different people the more confused I get.

 

Fortunately I've never had to claim a penny in benefits of any kind in my life, so I can only go by what people write.

 

But on the one hand there are people complaining about people claiming benefits because they're too lazy to work, and they've never worked in their life, and on the other hand there are people saying they've worked but when they need a little help to see them over a bad patch, they can't get any.

 

So how come lazy people get help and sick or redundant people can't???

 

I'm confused. 


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CG - it is easy, have a family, claim benefits - then you are stuck on them.  The whole system of cradle to grave state support is such that once on it you need to stay on it because it is so difficult to get back on it.

 

Imagine this, you are young, single Mum, trying to claim.  First off you have no internet, then you have no or very intermittent phone signal, then you have no credit, you have no computer(irrelevant as you have no internet), computer access available at the local library but you have to take offspring with you, the library is only open 2 hours a few days a week anyway and the next nearest requires using a bus(money), the support "shop" has been shut due to cutbacks and the job centre tells you to apply online!!!!!

Once you finally manage to claim and they tell you you can stay on income support until the child turns 5 or whatever you are probably going to produce 2nd, 3rd, etc because it is easier than changing claim or getting a job and losing benefits.

 

Ridiculous scenario??? Daughter had a problem with her water.  Took 4 hours on the phone(mine) to sort that one.  The only way to communicate quickly is phone or email - if you have neither then you are stuck.  She got over 50% off so result.  Now to get the back history overpayment back(a good 3-400) she needs a letter from the Council.  2 phone calls and we are still waiting, we need confirmation of council tax credit from when she moved in, NOT the reference number showing she is currently receiving it(we already have THAT).  Guess whose phone she is using for that one? 30+ mile round trip, find a signal, make the call or she comes to me. Go to council? - they shut the one stop help shop - ring or go online AAARRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Now imagine you are young and do not have family to help, if you ever got through all the forms etc why risk having to go through it again?  Once on benefits for a few years i can imagine one loses the will to work anyway.

 

Cookie - now get used to be treated like **** by the people at the job centre.  

 

Must admit I was impressed with the lady sent out to check on daughter's benefits.  She came to her, she advised her she didn't need to do anything if she didn't want toSmiley Sad and when she heard daughter's future educational and work plans told her to see her and she would help her claim for the ways she got most moneySmiley Happy. She was really rather enthusiastic - so why not enthuse all the unenthusiastic young mums to get off butts, go to college, get qualifications whilst there is no pressure to actually work. Daughter is working 15 hours for nowt, going to college 2 half days and all course fees and childminding are being paid for her. Think it is a fair return.

 

 

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You are so right CG.  My brother asks that all the time.  He watches these tv programmes or reads in the newspaper about people getting thousands a year.  Mind you, they seem mostly to have children.

 

It is just over a year since my mother died, and he had effectively nursed her for 8 years, other family helped too to give him a break of course, but basically he was out of touch for 8 years.  So now the man is grieving.

 

He is then plunged into this (what he calls Kafkaesque - he is dead clever our Tom) crazy system, where like Mouse said, he would get letters 3 or 4 times a week from the same person asking him to come in.  THEN he would call me, fuming at not just the stupidity of it all (why can't they just send us one letter or a text like the rest of the world), but the indignity too.  They made him feel awful.  I went along with him once, just once, dressed to the nines, in me best wig and made him put on his good suit to see this girl.  Dressed like a bum she was. 'And why are you here?' - and in my bestest Sunday voice I explained that, Oh I was just down visiting my brother, taking him for lunch, and that, would you believe it, I used to work here!!!  Bit of a silence.    

 

Cos I was never off the internet finding out the rules for him - make you laugh - he would phone me and say - and how many booklets/leaflets am I going to get in the mail today?   I'd find stuff and send it to him, knowledge is power, soooooooooooo, when it came to the C Games job they are to be paid fortnightly, so no cash for 2 weeks.  He questioned the availability of bus fares until he was paid, and same female said, oh you'll get them for a week.  Oh no says, well trained man - I'll need them for a fortnight.  And he got it too.  Some of the men hadn't even asked that and had borrowed from family.  You don't get enough to run up a cosy wee savings account when you're on the dole.

 

Most Kafkaesque of all is that the website for all this info is called 'The Site' and then YOUR GUIDE TO THE REAL WORLD.  Oh yeah.  Right, soapbox back in cupboard.

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Oh and apparently the Universal credit has actually been successful in it's limited trials.  Probably because it ties benefits to wages and automatically adjusts up and down giving people more freedom to take short term or short time employment.  Not sure it is going to work for families and disabled though.

 

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after several phone calls all the form is filled in and sent off.then get a text to say meeting on friday at 9.30 and please bring with me all the relavent paperwork that they have asked for....like when did they ask and what do i take..more phone calls in the morning...

 

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Good luck Cookie.  Hope that you manage to sort everything out.

 

Steph's mum knows a woman who is 50 and she's never worked her day in her life.  She has 4 daughters probably to three different fathers - the younger two are twins.  It's her type that should be made to work.  Common sense does not apply with the DWP these days.  I'd make the likes of the woman I've mentioned work or stop her benefits.  The twins this woman has are her youngest ones and are about 13 now so well able to look after themselves.  The DWP do not seem to penalise the likes of this woman but they will and do penalise genuine claimants.

 

Rant over.

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Well I had a great experience when I phoned up DWP re my mum's pension.  She made the mistake of getting married and moving abroad before her 60th birthday.  When she got her pension it remained at the same level for the 24 years she lived abroad.  To give you an idea of how much she got, it would not have got her one of those special Valentine Dine in at M&S.

 

When she moved back here in December we phoned up and the person we spoke to was very helpful - only needed mum's NI number to get it sorted.  Mum's pension has more than doubled now that she is back living in the UK.


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Oh we know that one cookie! " please enclose all the proofs  requested".... but they haven't actually asked for anything?

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