Why is ebay allowing Chinese sellers to pretend they are in the uk?

[jimmythejock]

I am very angry that I can no longer shop on ebay knowing that I am buying from British business's.

There are literally dozens and dozens (100's 1000's???) of Chinese sellers advertising themselves as being in the uk and when you order something the first thing you realise is that the item is coming from abroad because it's the same scenario every time: You get instant tracking and it's usually always Yodel. On this ocassion I actually thought I might be wrong becuase it tells you the item is being send from Hayes to Yodel and sure enough the Yodel tracking updates like this:-

28/08/2418:12

We have your parcel. Please check back for updates

27/08/2418:00

Your parcel is on its way to Yodel. Please check back for updates

27/08/2400:00

We're expecting your parcel from your sender. We will provide updates here once we receive it

Estimated delivery issued by ebay says between today and Tuesday so I go onto yodel live chat and say "why is there no movement on my parcel which you say you have, and that was 2 days ago" the answer comes back and says "jimmy I know it says we have it but actually we don't we got advice of it from the sender on the 27th and since then they have never delivered it to us"

That's because it's coming from China. Are yodel colluding with these sellers in their deception? Looks very much like it.

So I report this to ebay as "Item location misrepresentation" just like I did the last time and I got the exact same reply. This reply is a disgrace. I say this is just ebay deliberately turning a blind eye.......

Thanks again for reporting the listing(s) you found. 

What happened:
We looked into your report and didn’t find the listing to be in violation of our policy. This determination was made using automation or artificial intelligence.

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What about all the people in feedback reporting "Not in uk" or "delivery very late" etc etc etc

The last time I reported it I then got the item delivered (late of course). Isn't it strange that the label on it is not a normal yodel uk delivery slip.

Isn't it even stranger that on this Delivery label it has the letters 2CXN with word "Handling" printed above these letters.

Isn't it even more stranger that 2XCN is an international mail handler!!!!!

ebay are aiding and abetting Chinese sellers to steal business from uk sellers and are turning a blind eye to the sheer fraud and deception that is taking place never mind the ficticious delivery times which are NEVER going to be honoured!

You order something thinking it's a British seller you are buying from, and it's British goods you are buying, and it's neither. ebay have just helped these people to scam me by allowing them to operate on the ebay plaqtform and do nothing when you report it.

GO AND HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME!

[date80211]

Please be a lot more realistic.

You might not and I have seen two or three 'buy British…' sites fail for lack of support…

You might not have realised yet anyone who's tried it will tell you, running a site with perhaps thousands of vendors each offering perhaps thousands of items will cost you way more than £100,000 annually.

If you'd given it much thought you'd have realised that British commerce, industry and manufacturing need a helping hand from a huge, respected and vastly wealthy outfit… just like the Chinese have.

Will you first trouble yourself to look in detail at several huge Chinese sites, then say whether you believe even the biggest of British businesses could, by itself, Post such a site?

Will you tell us which British trade associations you believe could, by themselves, Post such a site?

Will you name any huge Chinese site you've looked at that doesn't offer items from many hundreds… prolly thousands… of different categories?

Until you Post some useful details, I suggest your speak purely from theory or guesswork and I ask everyone here who doubts me to say now, and say it clearly.

[date80211]

Gosh, Neil… that went right over my head.

Will you rephrase it for the sake of people like me who just don't get you?

Where and when did I or anyone suggest you should waste money?

If you're saying that trying to promote British business, commerce or industry is a waste of money, why not clearly say so… and if you do say that, why not explain why?

I have no liking for Milliband but will you say how he comes into this?

If you truly believe you don't need a government for anything, why do you pay your taxes… or are you saying you don't?

If you don't need a government for anything, do you eschew the NHS and buy private health-care?

Will you say whether you really mean 'a government…' or rather, 'society/ a community…'?

[moonlight-rhapsody]

It's a shame you won't respond to my post.  You can keep re-posting the link to your petition as often as you like, but no sensible person is going to sign a petition that they don't know the wording of.  For all anybody knows, your petition might be urging people to - let's say - ask the government to support Donald Trump in his campaign for a third term 🤣    Anyway, no matter, it makes no odds to me.  Have a nice life!

[captbjwck]

OH MY ebay warned me for mentinong the "A" word Facepalm 

[kofibruni]

I have been with eBay as a buyer and seller for early 25 years and have seen the corporate greed push eBay to closing their eyes to "The Chinese Issue".  In the last 3 to 4 years eBay has become swamped with Chinese sellers masquerading as UK sellers and eBay choose to do nothing about it.  It has become so bad that the "Search" function has become virtually useless no matter how specific you are.  I searched for plant pots and was swamped with ladies tights.  Then there is the issue of multiple listings of the same item.  I looked for a chopping board and found thousands of chopping boards with the same engraved picture.

It is clear that eBay will not change. They have become too big for their corporate boots so the only thing we can do is vote with our feet and buy elsewhere.  The only problem with that is all the other companies like Amazon are doing the same thing.  In other words we are all screwed on the sinking ship of MS GB.

[lucy_farmer]

The same issue is affecting mostly all online businesses, sites, ideas, social medias etc.....

It's become known as 'Enshi**ifcation (after the book of the same name that identified the problem).

It goes something like : 

Somebody has a good idea for an online site (selling services or items or information..etc) that people are willing to pay for, because it's useful 👍

The site becomes successful.

Because there are people using the site, it becomes a good place for others to advertise on.

The adverts start to bring in more income than the original function of the site.

Therefore the advertisers become more important in the eyes of the owners. Owners start to make the site more attractive to advertisers than users. (users start to become un-important...)

Site becomes very profitable.

Site goes on the stock-market, and then it's legal duty is to make money for the *shareholders*.

By this point even the advertisers are no longer important in the eyes of the company; only the shareholders are.

Us *users* are at the bottom of the scale of importance. *especially* with sites that are so huge they assume the users will not go somehwere else, because the site has bought-up all opposition in it's rise (meta, google, ama*on etc) or done the 'UBER' method. (Uber method being; undercut all the competition's prices and *not* worry about profitability for the time being. Then the competiton will all go out of business, just leaving uber who can now charge what they want, and *when* they want i.e. through 'surge' pricing...)

And it's not an 'MS GB' problem. This is global.

And the big ensh**ified players are from America and China.

[mere-828448]

Thanks Moonlight,

I've only just realised that there seems no clear way to see the Petition… only the signing page. Thanks for showing that up…

I see it as ludicrous and I'd be happy to accept it was entirely due to my dim sight… but going back through the Petition site's correspondence, searching the site's own current lists and throwing all or any part of the Petition title wording at Google finds nothing. That useless Signing link still seems to be all that's valid.

The Petition site graciously shows me a copy of my original wording but even there what looks like the link to the title - which is what I thought I Posted - in fact goes only to the signing page and here, even that goes no-where (Insist that countries of origin be shown on all goods and in all advertising)

The original wording is:

Insist that countries of origin be shown on all goods and in all advertising

Make clear where goods actually come from, not simply whether they happen - irrelevantly - to be stored in UK warehouses. If it's not British, make it say so… particularly when it's on line.

Outside foodstuffs, today's trading standards give me no way of telling whether anything I buy is British, or a subsidised import harming British commerce, industry and jobs. That is often true even after buying and opening the item and it is not fair to British commerce, industry or jobs. Please go back to when Empire Made and Fabriqué en Chine were so common, I thought them trademarks - though I grasped Made in Britain. If we need 'free trade', at least level the field.

Since I can't prove that, I don't doubt your objection to signing an unseen  petition.

I sincerely hope someone here can clear up this nonsense and until then, I'll ask petition.parliament.uk to explain…

Again thanks, Moonlight.

[mere-828448]

Thanks, Twin--turbo,

Like it or not the very simple point is that if you set up a site, manufacture in the UK and try to sell to the UK, you will be pitting your own, small catalogue against Chinese giants offering not only everything you're trying to sell but also at least hundreds and very likely thousands of products, including dozens that you would actually  want, if only you'd seen them offered…

Where might you have seen British items advertised en masse, please?

Ignoring the item details, will you look at the prices? I personally have bought from China because even with shipping, the item costs a lot less than the same thing would from Britain.

I suggest the real reason you can't see a negative to doing that is simply that it's outside your experience. Will you say what your experience with giant Chinese WWW has been?

I suggest 'the UK…' will not gladly pay for it, meaning you will reap no reward, which alone is enough to sink your plan…

[mere-828448]

Yes, kofibruni, but for two things:

I think eBay will change in two circumstances:

1) Enough of us beg for that change… though I have no faint idea what eBay might admit is 'enough…'

2) Enough people sign my own or any or all of the other petitions at petition.parliament.uk

[moonlight-rhapsody]

Hi mere-828448/date80211

Your petition evidently needs 4 more supporters before it can be published.  I've no idea how you get supporters but I would expect it to be covered somewhere in the bumph you get when setting up the petition.

 

[moonlight-rhapsody]

"Please go back to when Empire Made"

If you do ever get the petition published, that phrase would jar with a lot of people.  If you want to appeal to a wide group of people without alienating anybody, I wouldn't leave it in.  In any case, it's inaccurate.  The last remnant of the British Empire ended in 1997, ironically with the handover of Hong Kong to China.

[captbjwck]

I tried to sign with 2 of my email address, each time says it needs 5 more people to go public, I certainley know of a a lot of people sick of the c  6 *p that is sold as UK stock.

I just dont buy of ebay if any doubt now PayPal as well I deleted my account after taking them to the Ombudsman after stealing off me, anyway I think this subject will roll on & on, but the only was is dont but from that particuar source, I would do any business with any company (in my proffesional capacity) based there etc. Regards

[insidethe93]

Yes. There aren't many of us left who're old enough to remember that "Empire-made" tended to mean good quality manufacture and not just indicate the geographical origin of goods. Younger generations are probably unaware of the 'good quality manufacture' connotation and therefore "Empire-made" is doomed save as, say, a label on some vintage items or items of historical interest. People won't spend the time to look it up and just assume it's jarring at best or offensive at worst.

[moonlight-rhapsody]

"Younger generations are probably unaware of the 'good quality manufacture' connotation"

You've made my day - because incredible as it may seem to me, I must be a member of the "younger generation"!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[8384elizabethw]

Absolutely agree with you. All.they need is a warehouse in the UK then they
claim it's from the UK. Not right.

[insidethe93]

Thanks. But please Edit your reply to remove your personal contact details, as this is a public discussion board. If you don't get to it in time, maybe a moderator would remove the info for you?