23-05-2025 9:25 AM - edited 23-05-2025 9:34 AM
Email from eBay this morning.
If I read it correctly, from 24th June, if you use promoted listings and ANYBODY clicks on the ad one time...if the item then sells to ANYBODY ELSE within the next 30 days, you get charged as if the first guy bought it.
That means that if Bob in Scotland clicks an ad and doesn't buy, but Steve from Wales rolls in 29 days later and finds the item in search and buys it without clicking on a promoted listings ad, you get charged because Bob clicked it almost a month ago.
It's all well and good saying "You'll still only pay when your items sell" eBay, but that isn't the point. We pay for promoted listings in order to help find A BUYER, not a browser. If somebody comes in and buys an item organically, then the ad hasn't done its job and we're not paying for it.
We'll be removing all of our promoted listings campaigns later today, as this starts in 32 days, which is extremely underhanded. The reason being that there's a 30-day attribution window, so if Steve clicks on one of our ads this Sunday, on June 24th when Bob buys the item without clicking an advert, we'll get charged.
07-08-2025 3:39 PM
You will never win against these corporate companies. Its all about cash revenue for the business and share holders. Even the attitude and lack of suitable replies from the weekly community team says alot about the work ethics.
I don't mind paying for advertising but I will be putting my money and investing it into my own website rather than lining the pockets of these platforms.
I know it's a large investment to make but I think everyone would be better off, you will be in full control, be able to lower selling prices as you won't have ever increasing fees to pay.
07-08-2025 5:56 PM
This does sometimes feel like the not entirely subtle 'goal' of Ebay. i.e.
First, to have every seller migrate to a business account on Ebay.
Then, for every business account on Ebay to migrate to their own website.
08-08-2025 9:08 AM
I had removed promotions from all my multiple (but not single) listings so I didnt get caught on too many sales but didnt realise they had stopped showing this, if so it absolutely deceitful, Ive soldiered on with ebay for over 20 years but they should be encouraging sellers as with all the other competition the platform is in danger of a continuing nosedive
08-08-2025 12:27 PM
@russellmattin wrote:I had removed promotions from all my multiple (but not single) listings so I didnt get caught on too many sales but didnt realise they had stopped showing this, if so it absolutely deceitful, Ive soldiered on with ebay for over 20 years but they should be encouraging sellers as with all the other competition the platform is in danger of a continuing nosedive
@russellmattin after several days of significant pushback from sellers, eBay did finally "fix" it and sold via promoted listings should be showing again in the orders overview page.
08-08-2025 12:55 PM
We have been monitoring our PLA and PLS campaigns and have now reduced all our advertising due to these new rules.
Over the last 5 - 6 weeks, every day/week/month we analyse our data.
Our Ad Campaigns are running at ROAS 6 - 7, some higher and we set a CAP within our advertising.
Our total eBay fees should not be exceeding 32.6% even if EVERYTHING went through at the highest Ad Rate (which they are not), but every single day, not matter what - our Ad Fees have been around 12 - 13% more than we are actually seeing on each campaign in the dashboard.
We have heard the same thing from other sellers and one of them saying that she has done "nothing different" and suddenly every day she is at 45 - 52% Combined Fees compared to 28 - 30%, compared to May/June time.
We extracted the data and have shown multiple eBay concierge members this variance which is "Black & White" as far as I am concerned. Yet no-one is taking us seriously. I have now escalated this to a Complaint to see what can be done about it.
If we add all my FVF + ADS + Regulatory Operating Fees etc together, they should not exceed our "Limit" that we want to trade at.
Yet, every day they are 40 - 45% total?
The Individual Campaigns are running perfectly, yet the Ads Dashboard at the top shows a ROAS average of 4.63?? How is this even possible when every single campaign is in the 6.00 - 11.00 range? (Ok there are a couple of smaller ones, but only for about £100 of sales, which will not put a dent in the average ROAS or ACOGS when you are talking about tens of thousands of pounds in sales.
It is almost if the Ads are being charged twice somewhere - the data is skewed, the net proceeds are way below what we expect to see and yet we have more control over our Ads now than ever before being extremely cautious with the new changes.
Basically, if you Advertise - there's no such thing as an Organic Sale!!!
So, if anyone else can't fathom out why each of your campaigns show healthier figures, but the Summary at the top on the Ads Dashboard is much lower and you are then seeing this on the Seller Performance Reports (your total daily sales vs. expenses), and you wonder what the hell is going on ....
PLEASE REPORT IT TO EBAY TOO.
We have had conversations with other sellers and they are telling me the same thing, that it is impossible to see where these additional Ad Charges are coming from when clearly, even if EVERYTHING was taken at our highest Ad Rate from multiple campaigns, then it would still not even come close to what they are taking.
We honestly believe that they are double dipping, as it is roughly twice as much that is being deducted from what we have set the Ad Rates too - so now we have made my 5th observation on this and analysed everything we possibly can, the charges against what the ROAS/Ad Cap Rate should be still doesn't correlate and therefore needs investigating.
What if? (just saying), that the coder who implemented the Ad Changes, accidently put a line of code in twice and although the Ads Dashboard for each campaign shows 6 - 11 ROAS, the charges are being doubles going back to the Seller Dashboard and that's why the overall ROAS is half what we are expecting it to be.
We don't know - but what is seen in one place, is not being converted and applied correctly to the Seller Performance Dashboard, resulting in mega financial losses.
This needs sorting eBay - we are waiting to hear from you!
11-08-2025 3:39 PM - edited 11-08-2025 3:47 PM
There you have it folks.
11-08-2025 4:42 PM
Please correct me if I'm wrong but wont the real figures that show the change be the 3rd quarter and only the UK figures? I'm not sure if we/investor would ever just get a break down of UK advertising revenue or if its all just thrown in a big pot.
Again if I'm wrong please just shoot me down.
11-08-2025 5:04 PM
@pegr-834437 wrote:Please correct me if I'm wrong but wont the real figures that show the change be the 3rd quarter and only the UK figures? I'm not sure if we/investor would ever just get a break down of UK advertising revenue or if its all just thrown in a big pot.
Again if I'm wrong please just shoot me down.
@pegr-834437 you are correct - that screenshot @thealuminiumshop posted is from the Q2 2025 report
eBay rolled out the ad attribution changes in Germany at the end of February, so those would have been reflected a little bit in Q1 and for the full Q2.
The expansion to UK, Australia, France, Italy and Spain happened at the end of June, making it effective for only a couple days in Q2 and we won't see the full impact until the Q3 report.
Unfortunately though, while eBay does break out total revenue by region/market, they don't break out ad revenue specifically that way, so while I expect there will be an increase in ad revenue in Q3 due to this change, it will be impossible to put exact numbers to how much is from the UK specifically.
11-08-2025 8:15 PM
So basically we need to wait till Q3 and Q4 to see if there has been any real change to the ad revenue and even with the data nobody will be able to see if its due to any country taking a stand as such or just that eBay have maybe had a good quarter or a bad quarter.
As a side note I know a lot of business accounts are getting free promos for either priority or promote your shop, I never knew how expensive they were for the little return, 50p per click on promote your shop is mind blowing, I'd love to know what stores can pay that per site visit and still be making profit, then the priority for 57 listings they were saying £45 a day was the suggested amount.
19-08-2025 12:25 PM
I asked CS earlier in the year when I stopped PL standard for a refreshing period (an Ebay best practice) why did my organinc impressions drop by over 50% when I stopped PL.
They advised that shouldnt happen and they would investigate, if they did and never got back to me.
So I completely dropped PL think it was 2 weeks ago now, and the same again, 50/70%
Am I missing something? Why would organic impressions drop?
19-08-2025 1:16 PM
Could be worse, dropped by 82%
20-08-2025 11:38 AM
Any idea why?
20-08-2025 11:49 AM
Looking back to when I stopped promoted listings I can see the same thing a drop of about 50% in organic impressions.
My organic listing views are roughly the same as when I was doing promoted listings. So even though I am supposedly getting less impressions I am getting the same number of views.
Although I haven't really seen a drop in sales as a result of not doing promoted listings. I really wish it was something I had done a long time ago but got sucked into thinking it would give me additional sales which doesn't appear to be the case.
20-08-2025 12:09 PM
Anyone can build their own website or pay someone to do it. The real problem is getting people to view your website - this requires very specialist knowledge (always available at a price, with no guarantee of success). This is why eBay can get away with what it does - there is NO real competition in most categories. Only a large corporation might succeed in creating a successful alternative to eBay.