debbie reynolds

[wheel-lose]

first ive heard of this,will look into it now,first off nigel,mine and probably yours,via venue,,match up the same as the isitreal posters account of a genuine signature:-)will post further on this shortly

[milly6660]

sorry,cant continue tonight,connection down every 2 mins,doing my head in

considering how the hestons fooled people

lorens;

first ttm example - pen goes up at end

2 pics on card from star tiger-pen goes down on both

dedicated pic(ded looks like added later) pen up

iconographs-pen downwards

[milly6660]

i have to log in every 2 mins,i wish i could sue BT

nowhere have i suggested any secs at all in any post,just saying if signing at home,sitting down surely the pen stroke would end going in the same direction every time,just making people think. my sig changes often by the way,but ive nowt better to do

[wheel-lose]

milly,both of the ttm cards end going down,like the signing ones

-- Edited by wheel-lose at 05/22/2011 11:59 PM BST

[not_brazil_norn_iron]

Daz i hope you've taken your betablockers, this thread could get tasty 😄

I'm not a collector of Sophia Loren etc. but it is fascinating to watch and learn from the debate

[milly6660]

logged in yet again

its like christopher lee dipping his 'r's if you pardon the vision,we know he does it,most of the time

chances are IF there are loren secs out there,there will be one below somewhere,and i dont collect loren,just like studying handwriting

[milly6660]

top card rolls,bottom card sharper loops but both cards the pen finishes going in the same direction

[milly6660]

10 mins,lost connection 8 times,i'm off for solpadeines

[wheel-lose]

milly,look at post 38,,they are both the same hand,ttm and ip signing session,,nuff said:-)

[milly6660]

i see those match,but you know what i'm trying to say over all the examples;

[milly6660]

just pointing out the difference with the upsy and the others which are downies

[wheel-lose]

in person book signed at a signing

[milly6660]

looking ok then,she must just flourish when in different moods

you want to see my paraph when i'm happy

[wheel-lose]

yes,she has a flourish when she is probably going through items fast  she is signing,but they all have the same characteristics there inside each graph,,even the different heights on the lettering tallys too on most of them,,i have absolutly no doubt about her signature ttm,its genuine

daz

-- Edited by wheel-lose at 05/23/2011 12:26 AM BST

[wheel-lose]

its a dealer conspiracy,,stop us getting all thses graffs for nowt;-)

[milly6660]

top example-quick and sad

bottom example-carlo sacked...happy me

[autografica]

Wheel, "for any one to suggest that her ttms are secs is laughable"

Well it has been suggested, and therefore you should take it seriously.

I have not had time to make the required comaprisons myslef, but for you to suggest that Sophia herself has lied when she has made this statement herself, or to suggest that its a conspiracy amongst dealers, is even more laugahable. 

If we have doubts over any items in our collections, then they need to be put to one side until proven one way or the other.

I cannot say that there is any substance in this, but as she has allegdly said it herself (and i undertstand that she said SOME of her TTM stuff is secreatarial) then you should be taking heed of it, and not simply brushing it aside as laughable or a conspiracy.

Garry

[wheel-lose]

gary ,you just said one dealer has said that she said sometimes she uses a secretary,you cant take that seriously without proof,,i would be more intrested in a couple of experts  getting together to come up with some conclusuions using ip comparisons and  examplars,, i was only joking about the dealer conspiracy:-)

-- Edited by wheel-lose at 05/23/2011 11:51 AM BST

[milly6660]

but i saw garry,at the grassy knoll,with a sharpie ]:)

[rbees-autographs]

Looking at the results that are coming from Sophia they seem to be arriving from both the US and Swiss address at about the same time which has to raise suspicions. She will be receiving hundreds of letters a week from collectors and dealers. So if Iconographs have said that half of her TTM is fake then that statement has to be taken very seriously. Mind you, the images that Iconographs got signed were truely appalling.

I dare say Sophia flits between the US and Switzerland but she will be spending much of her time at just one of those addresses. In the next few weeks I will send off a request to both addreses on the same day and we will see what happens.

I mentioned the Debbie Reynolds last year, you only have to compare what she signs at her show appearances to what she signs TTM. All of these shows sell photos signed by their guests so look at their websites.

TTM is still a great way to get autographs but common sense and your eyes has to used at times.

-- Edited by wheel-lose at 05/23/2011 4:04 PM BST

[wheel-lose]

ive never written to her via the states,only via switzerland,below is a card i recieved last year,it corresponds extremly well with one of the signings,even down to the exact same spot she loops in a couple of letters,there is no doubt its authentic,unfortunately i cant get a big enough pic on here for a close up of the two,would be obliged if someone who knows how to do it,if they will blow up the second pic for close up

my ttm