@mikes*corvettes wrote:

@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

 

Finally I'm confused by your final statement - which country is the 'future full member' you refer to?


In 1974 Turkey invaded Cyprus and is holding a third of the island.

 

Now you're big on human rights what about  the human rights of the Cypriots who got murdered during this illegal invasion or the human rights of the Cypriots who forty one years later are still not allowed back to their homes or access to their own land.

 

Or that the Turks looted all of the Churches cut off all the crosses on  top of them and use the churches to stable animals now.

 

This is recent history not ancient history.

 

This is not what I signed up to forty three years ago when we joined the common market, I was told it was just a trading partnership not that we were handing over not only our future but also our descendants futures to faceless bureaucrats.

 

The sooner we're out the better as far as I'm concerned, we were around and survived a long time before this nonsense started and we will be around and survive after it's gone to the wall, now it's just a matter of damage limitation.


My knowledge of the Turkish invasion of Cyprus is somewhat sketchy albeit my son-in-law is a Greek Cypriot.

 

However didn't the 'invasion' by Cyprus follow on from a coup by the Greek Cypriots and the attempted annexation of Cyprus by Greece?

 

Events that had both been members of the EU as it is today would have been unlikely to occur.

 

We were all told that we were joining a trading partnership in the 70s and I agree that the EU as it is today is not relevant to what it was then, which is why the forthcoming referendum is welcome.

 

Of course just because it is different is not a reason in itself for leaving nor an argument for staying in.

 

If Europe were clearly moving towards a democratic federal union then I would find that attractive, my fear is that it is rather moving towards a monolithic organisation of independent states which appoint members to a council that decides wha's best for us.