I had a look at the giotto and to me it looks a better spec and is higher than the man frotto one. The 5yr warrantee was the clincher I think. They are also doing 2 kits for xmas and I went for kit 2, a bit dearer but not out of budget for a main present, mind you if he continues being lippy I might make him wait for his birthday.lol!

Thanks again. I was doing that silly dithering and needed some expert input. He uses the camera daily and has been moaning that the small table tripod is useless so hopefully I've got it right. His binoculars will fit it as well. The downside is I guess the tripod will be living right in front of the window!!! 😮

🙂   Merry Xmas to you and all.