Great post Al. I too am unnereved by the developments seen during this campaign. It has been brutal in the way it has played out and pitted friend against friend in a despicable way. The unrest has been bubbling since the last referendum, right wingers like Bill Cash and John Redwood constantly upsetting the democratic process. Now we are told by people that unless you vote Brexit you are disloyal, stupid, anti British, and a pile of other descriptions and expletives unmentionable on here.

I am yet to see one argument put in favour of staying which has not been branded as a lie, scaremongering or fictitious. I am yet to see any answers by the Brexit campaign to legitimate concerns raised and there is a very real ethnic cleansing element driving those who fear loss of jobs, services and benefits. In any simple yes no referendum the right wing need to mobilise the masses and one way of doing that effectively is to use a simple easily identified subject and develop it as a threat, enter Immigration. It's good because as a small island it is very visible, They come from all over to wreck our economy and way of life a bit like we did to them when we colonised so many parts of the globe, for our own means of course. How can you form an alliance with those who you have been constantly at odds with, the Germans or the French even the Spanish our most popular place to visit and find sunshine. You cannot in the course of a few decades form the alliance without there being problems especially given the circumstances I have mentioned. It takes courage, stamina and a preparedness to argue and reason. You cannot expect those we turn our backs on to then welcome us with open arms, some may but what will become of what's left of our manufacturing base when Nissan, Toyota. Honda, Bmw, General Motors get tariffs slapped on their products? These are the realities we dismiss in this referendum and we do so without any tangible evidence on either side.

All the emotion and all the certainty expressed on here is based solely on what people want to believe gawd help us if this it what we have come to, is this the way to a better Britain? Well as long as we ignore the arguments and rubbish the facts who the heck knows.