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17-06-2016 6:23 PM

"Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks...
Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools...
...and their grandchildren are once more slaves..." – DH Lawrence
http://izquotes.com/quote/294819
"The British people were fooled once before in 1975
Don’t let the EU Establishment fool you again...
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17-06-2016 7:22 PM
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17-06-2016 7:31 PM
So you're suggesting we just stop thinking and vote 'leave'. 🙂
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17-06-2016 7:32 PM
One thing that springs to mind is the length of time this referendum saga has gone on for.
A General Election is called and is over in a few weeks. A scheduled General Election takes far longer due to the lead-up hoo-haa.
This referendum lark has been simmering for a long time and the heated campaigning has only served to cheese people off and has probably caused the eyes of a lot of people to glaze over and them to go deaf at any mention of it and in the end, probably not vote.
Don't discard a vote, do it and vote OUT.
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
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17-06-2016 7:46 PM
@upthecreekyetagain wrote:So you're suggesting we just stop thinking and vote 'leave'. 🙂
No you do what you want. Im voting OUT.
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18-06-2016 12:08 AM
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18-06-2016 9:35 AM
Hmmmmm, any thoughts on a "European Army"? So that's something hovering in the background is it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36565036
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
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18-06-2016 9:36 AM
Brilliant film there, Baybiz. I knew the EU was a veritable anthill of 'personel', but I didn't quite realise the scale and magnitude of this conglomeration, and what an untrustworthy nest of vipers it actually was, which begs the question: just what do they all do ? ? ? These overpaid and underworked faceless and unelected bloodsuckers, even have their own shopping precinct.....and nail bar FGS.
If I had been sitting on the fence, that would certainly have pushed me over to the leave side. A long clip, but worth watching until the end.
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18-06-2016 2:33 PM
Great news for the brexit team, Vladimir Putin wants us to leave as well, Must be the right thing to do then.
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18-06-2016 2:52 PM - edited 18-06-2016 2:54 PM
Matched by Obama wanting us to stay. So It's stalemate.
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18-06-2016 3:41 PM
Quite so Mike, None of their business really. As we are on the toptc of the foreign viewpoint here is another take, part of an article I found on the net.
The most vocal advocates are far-right parties in other EU capitals. “Brexit would be marvellous”, Marine Le Pen enthuses, “it will be the beginning of the end of the European Union.” She is joined by a gaggle of xenophobic parties in other EU member states such as the Secretary General of the Italian Northern League, Matteo Salvini (known for his anti-Roma rhetoric), Tom Van Grieken, the leader of the populist right-wing Flemish Vlaams Belang (who wants to ban headscarved women from driving cars), Serb ultranationalist Vojislav Seselj, and Geert Wilders, who likes to compare Mohammed to the devil and the Quran to Mein Kampf.
Referendums can create strange bedfellows and one of the weirdest developments is the way that ISIS’s newsletter seems to echo some of the claims of Europe’s most famous Islamophobes. One former foreign fighter notes that ISIS would see Britain’s departure as a first step in the destruction of the European Union, which they see as a successor to the Roman Empire. Daesh’s newsletter al Naba boasted already after the Paris attacks that they had caused “the weakening of European cohesion, including demands to repeal the Schengen Agreement” and “mutual accusations between France and Belgium”.
Back in 1975, the attractiveness of the in campaign’s advocates was only half the picture – the other half was the unattractiveness of those who wanted Britain to leave. But even Enoch Powell’s biggest enemies would agree that he appears quite attractive compared to the international figures that support Brexit.
Instead of looking at the Who’s Who of British politics, it may hence be more relevant what the international “Good, Bad, and Ugly” have to say. British voters should ask themselves: whose advice do you want to take – from the leader of the free world, our closest allies, and the emerging economies we will trade with in the future? Or from Marine Le Pen, ISIS, and Vladimir Putin? It is an irony of the Referendum campaign that the most important
Ultimaiely it is us who will decide, but will that decision be based upon whats best for Britain or a desire to cut immigration, much of which comes from outside the EU. The 1.3 million brits currently living abroad won't even get a vote. I suspect from what I have read so far the Little Englanders will prevail and do so because of an inability to see the bigger picture, they believe that working with partners to create change is not possible and that somehow we will plough our own furrow using oxen of course . 🙂
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18-06-2016 4:13 PM
I am leaning towards Brexit after a lot of reading and viewing documentaries on the net and TV, and none of my thoughts are anything to do with the immigation issue, but more to do with sovereignty and (lack of) democracy plus a few other things.
Both sides have exaggerated/lied, and treated us like children, more so the remain campaign I think with their recent intimidation tactics. Either outcome may be bad for the NHS (it is in crisis anyway) but I worry about what I have read about the future of the NHS if we stay in (to do with what the US and big business want via the TIPP).
I have no sympathies for the extreme right and have never even voted Tory. As I read in The Week news magazine " The leave camp is not just right wing, there is also a left of centre case for Brexit - the EU doesn't work, is not remotely progressive and is heading or an existential crisis anyway"
That is in essence how I feel and with only 5 days to go I would have to read some very positive reasons for staying in to make me think again about how I will vote. I have seen little positive so far, just mainly scaremongering so I doubt that the remain campaign will pull anything convincing out of the bag.
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18-06-2016 4:47 PM
If the UK are so essential to the success of the European Union, if European leaders are threatening us and the skies are falling if the UK escapes why was Cameron not invited to go to the table to get reforms and come back with a big fat sack of changes and U turns the UK woud ike to see? Why did he return with a luke warm mealy mouthed handfull of pledges that are not yet set in stone?
Plus thought for the day....How can the EU even start to contemplate a European army when there is no one europen language and many refuse to use the globally accepted English? 'Charge' 'Fire' and 'Duck' in 15 languages s'il vous plait, das ist kaputt.
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18-06-2016 7:31 PM
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19-06-2016 1:31 PM
Language differences occur inside NATO, (an even bigger variety in fact), and the UN.
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20-06-2016 11:00 PM
Not long to go now, all new sites will be saturated with endless talking, useless interviews and padding full of mindless garbage and non-news. After that we'll have the inquest with a lot more of the same?
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
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21-06-2016 9:54 AM
Hmmmmmm, nice eh?:-
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
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21-06-2016 10:54 AM
When life gives you the luxury of seeing somebody's true colours, BEFORE you give them what they want...........it might be a good idea to pay heed. There are plenty of people, all over the World, suffering right now; because life didn't afford them that luxury.
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21-06-2016 10:56 AM - edited 21-06-2016 10:57 AM
If you look on the front pages of the other tabloids and gutter press, they'll be telling similar "FOREIGN BADDIE" stories. Owners of tabloids - and Far Right demagogues for that matter - try to get foamers (and easily influenced 'loners') to think and vote certain way you see.
29 pages of "immigrants, immigrant, immigrants...derp, derp, derp".
It's been a pretty poor campaign from Remain, but the Leave campaign has been an absolute disgrace. You'd be forgiven for thinking it had been organised by Oswald Mosley!
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21-06-2016 2:10 PM
When the party in power tries to strangle our democratic right to vote out by the use of blackmail and intimidation with threats of an emergency budget when we leave.
Anything the out campaign does, pales in to insignificance, wouldn't you say ?

