Good links harry ,...pretty much agrees with whats been said on this thread in the main,it appears to be social engineering law and wealth coupled to the fact most people are born with a conscience to do the right thing...same brains same thoughts....so basically lets manipulate from that angle.

Today it's social engineering and media which has taken over the religious manipulating (just my opinion on how things look) but behind the scenes the most powerful are still the same crew trying to control everyone . It isnt such a bad idea mind to encourage people to do the rifgt thing by others andI think Gtreat Briton (and have done so for a while) is an experiment in world order ,hence all the cameras and mixing cultures.

The bad side for me is they dont just say it and stop all this ''you can vote you know that makes your in charge''  

Tony Blairs cabinet included members of opus dei ,I mean how religious can you get ,I thought wth and then a war and it all started to stink a bit....

would be nice if all followers of beliefs would say we all agree to live in peace and will not accept war onto others unless they war unto us ...or summat like that...bottom line is no dude or dudette in a pinstripe suit can make decisions like that on behalf of the populace...referendum only please 🙂