I woke up this morning covered in spaghetti....

 

I think I've got Bola-gnaise.

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In an effort to outflank Farage, the Cameron government announced in July that all non-EU visitors to the UK will be charged 150% of the normal fees to use the NHS:

“Patients from outside the EU to be charged 150% of the cost of treatment in the NHS.“

 

But yesterday the government announced they were advising non-EU visitors to voluntarily contact the NHS if they develop symptoms of Ebola while in the UK:

“Passengers to be told to make contact with the NHS should they develop Ebola symptoms.“

 

The Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said he hoped travellers from those countries would “self-present” to the authorities if they developed any symptoms of illness.

 

In other words, the Cameron government is hoping possible Ebola patients will voluntarily contact the NHS if they have symptoms, while at the same time threatening them with having to pay 150% of the fees for their treatment if they do.

 

Anybody else see the serious – and possibly extremely dangerous – flaw in the government’s plans?

I suppose the four& a half thousand people who have died up to now thought there was no need to panic as well!.

The spread of Ebola has been very mainly from the sufferer to one other person, normally the one who has been looking after them.

 

It also is only transferable once the disease has manifested itself not while it is incubating.

Not enough is known about this disease.

 

Although they keep saying it can only be transmitted between humans from "body fluids", some research has shown it has been transmitted from pigs to monkeys and that due to the virus being found in the lungs of the monkeys, it showed the virus was inhaled.

 

Have a read here and also look at the date of the news item:-

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20341423

It's also known that the infection can be carried on clothes,,hence the stringent disinfecting procedures being carried out.
Those who are lucky enough to survive still carry the infection for quite a few weeks after the all clear!.

Well now, Pigs come in to the disease equation again as do Monkeys?

 

We are humans but have many characteristics of Apes sooooooo, if Ebola can be transmitted to them by inhaling "droplets" there's every chance that we too can be infected the same way?

 

 

The monkey is the nearest genetically to us but the pig shares our diseases ie measles , stomach ulcers, heart disease , it also sweats as we do! Sweat on sheets ,along with other bodily fluids contain the infection which is then transmitted into & onto anyone coming into contact with the soiled bedding & anything else that the victim has touched, unless proper hygiene is carried out the infection rapidly spreads as has been seen!. As far as I know the infection started with bush meat & will continue to as there is no proper control over its sale legitimate or otherwise, squalid unhygienic living conditions are what this virus thrives on!

Did you read all of that link?

Not all, will do later ,I'm waiting for work coming in.

Needs caeful reading, it seems a lot more was known about Ebola in 2012 than has emerged or been commented upon with the latest outbreak? 

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@cee-dee wrote:

Not enough is known about this disease.

 

Although they keep saying it can only be transmitted between humans from "body fluids", some research has shown it has been transmitted from pigs to monkeys and that due to the virus being found in the lungs of the monkeys, it showed the virus was inhaled.

 

Have a read here and also look at the date of the news item:-

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20341423

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I guess you didn't read the link (written on 29 Sept 2014) about the pig-monkey experiment that I posted on page 1 which explains the difference between the way (and the location) that the disease manifests itself in monkeys and pigs. 

 

Pigs recover from Ebola, and the researchers did not show conclusively how the disease was transmitted. They couldn't conclude that the virus was inhaled by the monkeys

 

"The design and size of the animal cubicle did not allow (us) to distinguish whether the transmission was by aerosol, small or large droplets in the air, or droplets created during floor cleaning which landed inside NHP cages (fomites)".

 

"They did the experiment again, this time with only monkeys and found that without direct contact, infectious monkeys did not transmit virus to other monkeys that were in the same room. The virus was not airborne. "

 

http://globalbiodefense.com/2014/09/29/airborne-ebola-flight-fancy/

 

 

 

 

Whatever happenned to bird flu/swine flu?

 

This was reportedly far more infectious than ebola though the mortality rate was lower. 

Have now read the link & also the link that creaky has posted, my only thought about them all are these, they are not conclusive if they were surely the procedures being carried out would be foolproof, they are far from that!.
It's correct that little is still known about this virus & how to tackle it successfully , why 70% is fatal& yet some do recover even without treatment, the human body given chance will & does build up its own immunity on the other hand this & other virus can mutate & keep one step ahead unless stopped in its tracks, not only causing the death toll to rise but jumping species.

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@saasher2012 wrote:
Have now read the link & also the link that creaky has posted, my only thought about them all are these, they are not conclusive if they were surely the procedures being carried out would be foolproof, they are far from that!.

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What procedures do you mean?

Treatments, prevention of spread, protection of those who are on the front line, unless they get help from everyone they are being overwhelmedby the enormity of it all.
People are being turned away because of lack of facilities thereby adding to the risk of spreading the virus bush meat is still being sold even though in theory it has supposed to have been stopped.

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@suzieseaside wrote:

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@saasher2012 wrote:
Have now read the link & also the link that creaky has posted, my only thought about them all are these, they are not conclusive if they were surely the procedures being carried out would be foolproof, they are far from that!.

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What procedures do you mean?

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I misunderstood your post about procedures.  I read it that you meant if knowledge of transmission was conclusive, then the 'procedures being carried out would be foolproof'.  

[I assume you meant the link posted by creeky was the one I posted just before him because I don't think he posted a link just up there^^]

 

The point is, I think, is that necessary procedures are NOT being carried out because local people and medical staff have not had the means to follow them. I think you meant that in your last reply, so I agree.

 

Families are in contact with sick and dying relatives, people don't have protective suits when burying them, and even medical staff don't have (or haven't had) protective suits when treating them.  I believe that the protective suits worn by medics flying in now to help have to be incinerated after a fairly short period of use. 

 

So IMO it's not that insufficent is known by experts about how to slow the spread of the virus e.g. by having no physical contact with the sick and by not eating bush meat and fruit bats.  I think most of the problem comes from lack of education about the virus in Africa (presumably there are a lot of remote villages in the regions of infection) and even if people are informed they don't have the protective gear to help prevent them becoming infected.  

 

Of course there may be factors about Ebola that aren't known but even if advice on the current knowledge could be followed by everyone in the areas of infection I think that would go a long way to stop the escalation.  Unfortunately in countries so poor and lacking in facilities it is a very difficult task to stop the spread. 

👍 totally agree with what you say & yes you are also correct in my answers , apologies for not making that clearer😀
These people are floundering for the very reasons you state & instead of politicians blethering on about stopping it getting into this country they should be pulling their fingers out & helping to stop it at source . You are also correct in that many factors are not known about this virus but as per usual the stable door is shut after the horse has bolted!.