hi FD, thankyou for your reply to my picture of the crab nebula, i for one wish i had your faith and as such i would never try to dislodge the faith you have. i am pleased we can discuss without shouting or name calling, as always there is more than one side to any debate, i see you have put gods side, whereas i have put the astronomers side, one day both will meet in unison and all will be well, untill then, well we can debate some more.