Look, just WHO wrote the Bible and all the other scriptures claiming to represent the ultimate belief? MAN.

You can believe what you like, all the other believers in their version of what was, what is and what will be, claim they "know" that whatever they believe is "right".

They all can make vague "prophesies" about what might be and whatever happens they will claim "See, we told you.......".

In life, there is only ONE certain fact from which there's no escape and that is death. Everyone will die one day whether that's at three-score-years-and-ten, sooner or later, that will be IT.

You can fill many pages with ambiguous, vague claims and point to odd happenings that that seem to bear out what's been written but ask for a definite answer in response to a direct question and what will you get? A load of waffle! Not a direct answer anyway.

If there's one thing that will destroy the way of life we know it's going to be MAN fighting MAN over some half-baked ideological belief in the hereafter.

There's NO hereafter. When you're dead you're dead and that's it. Finit.

This thread was (note was) about The Beginning of the Universe, the beginning of our Solar System and with it the beginning of our Planet leading up to the possibility of the end of the Universe altogether. It was meant to be a discussion about that, the end of some Stars and their Planets if they have any and the birth of new Stars and possibly new Planets with them. That's a process which has been going on for billions of years and will continue for billions if not trillions of years to come.

Please allow this thread to continue along those lines and if you want to discuss Religion in any of it's forms, please start a new thread without continually disrupting this one?