When it's all over?

[cee-dee]

That's the covid pandemic.

When it's all over, how much will things have changed?

Will some firms decide that having huge expensive offices is an expense they can do without and continue with employees working from home?

Some people might have found that they actually get more done in a day (or get their day's work done quicker) when working at home because they're away from the office distractions of office gossip, the tea/coffee machine and the loudmouths every workplace suffers?

There's also the "benefit" of the lack of expenses during the commute to work?

On the back of that, will there be a distinct surplus of huge office blocks that no-one will want at the astronomical price per square foot?

There again will there be many who, having "got used" to being at home will no longer have the will to work at all?

Then again will there have been a real revitalisation with a new keen attitude for work after being away from work for so long?

So many questions.... (I can think of more???) Is there anyone left on here willing to make any comments?

[right-then-petal]

might be worth waiting till the end of the day to see how many people are left

[astrologica]

CeeDee...have a look at the WEF meeting that is taking place in Singapore this year. That will give you some idea....The Great Reset?

[cee-dee]

More beureacratic back slapping? Does that have much, if any relevance to the questions posed in my OP?

[antares_nebula]

The reverse of course is the isolation, lack of camaraderie, banter, brain storming, building relationships, networking to name but a few significant losses.

Humans are social creatures.

[*guinevere*]

There will be no need for the monster aka the HS2 that the Govt is hell bent on forcing on us, not if business people don't need it. Zoom meetings and working from home being the way to go.

[cee-dee]

Nope, it's a massive waste of time, effort and money not to mention the destruction in it's path.

Quite apart from the probable reduction in travellers, by the time the thing has accelerated to top speed it'll be time to slow down again? Too many stops in a small country?

[astrologica]

But it's not just Bureaucratic backslapping for them CeeDee...this is a very important year for them, the Globalists. They also have a G7 meeting in June at Carbis Bay in Cornwall. Their reset plans are strongly based on a green agenda. I would imagine that businesses that are not environmentally friendly will be allowed to sink without trace.  You mentioned the fact that no more cars running on petrol will be produced after 2030. Maybe people will be discouraged from flying off on holiday a couple of times a year. Maybe people will never go back to their offices...who knows? The pandemic is VERY closely linked to the Great Reset. Klaus Schwaab himself, the architect of the reset, stated that the pandemic was a very good opportunity to begin the reset. Although it has been planned for decades, this was always the year that it was intended to begin.  Very strange that the pandemic occurred at just the right time....

[lambsy_uk]

They can take their great reset and shove it!

[antares_nebula]

Didnt take long for the conspiracy theories to come out

[astrologica]

The Great Reset is no conspiracy theory, Antares. But it's ok...you just keep your little head firmly up your backside. A little research may help you.

[suzieseaside]

Who can say what 'research' people do on the Internet is accurate and true, and what is conspiracy nonsense?

There is so much rubbish talked about and spread on the net, and plenty of people who love a conspiracy, I can't see how anyone can be sure that what they happen to believe is the truth. Yet some are so sure and so patronising to others who disagree.

[cee-dee]

The reason "conspiracy theories" take root is because of vague and misleading information giving rise to questions.

Here's an instance.

Between 1979 and 2019 the deaths from Flu fluctuated between 20,000 and 40,000 per year. However between January and August 2020 only 400 were put down to Flu. In a week up to 20th November 2020, 280 were put down to Flu or Pneumonia.

Doncha find that somewhat odd? Isn't that why conspiracy theories gain some credence? Isn't it likely that based on those figures, theorists are likely to say that Flu and Pneumonia deaths have been put down as coronaviris deaths?

[suzieseaside]

Perhaps, although excess deaths this year are considerably more than flu and pneumonia in other years this century, I believe. Also I thought that covid deaths were put down as such if death occurred within 28 days of covid detection? Or do all covid deniers think that medics, researchers etc as well as governments are all lying??!

There are lots of theories as to why people are drawn to believe conspiracies, but have popped in to post the following link. I tend to believe it but I suppose astro would say it is wrong. Based on what evidence would it be wrong I wonder?

https://www.bbc.com/news/55017002

[astrologica]

Suzie....I would not believe a single word that the BBC spouts. Of course they are going to deny that the Reset is happening. Ever since the beginning of this 'Pandemic' there have been many, many thing that just do not add up.I always believe what my gut feeling tells me, and there are too many things that don't add up at all. There is much utter rubbish to be seen online, but there are also some very informative videos and documents there too. Time will tell if it is a conspiracy theory or not, but I don't believe that it is. I believe that this year will bring great changes. We shall see.

[bankhaunter]

Flu deaths each year vary widely but are nowhere near 40,000.

Deaths attributed to the ’flu have varied between 11,875 and 28,330 per winter season

https://facts4eu.org/news/2020_apr_covid_and_flu

The number of excess deaths from March 21st until Jan.15th, over the same period 2019-2120, is about 80,000.

https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/static-reports/mortality-surveillance/excess-mortality-in-england-late...

Given the drive to vaccinate against flu and the precautions in place against covid, a drop in flu numbers is hardly surprisng.

[cee-dee]

Ah, now then, according to the ONS, for the Winter of 2017-18, there were over 50,000 "excess deaths" which were put down as due to the "deadly strains of flu which swept the nation over the winter months and were the highest in forty years.

A lot of those were probably respiratory diseases brought on by the flu. Guessing on a non-technical level, I'd say that as with covid-19, those people wouldn't have died if they'd not got the flu.

The peak of excess deaths in January 2018 was running at over 2,000 per day. 

If you go back a lot further, you'll find much higher numbers.

At the time of the 2017-18 winter, 55,000 operations were cancelled in January alone to relieve pressure on the NHS. Sounds familiar?

[*guinevere*]

I read the other day that seasonal flu cases were right down this year because of the wearing of masks. 

However Coronavirus is spreading because people won't wear masks.

Work that one out. It's science so it must be right.

[bankhaunter]

But it is not known how much more the coronavirus would have spread if there were no mask wearing.

Also the incubation period for flu is much shorter, up to 4 days as opposed to up to 14 for covid, so a much longer period for someone breaking the rules or being careless, to do so without knowing they were infected with coronavirus.

It would appear as well that the coronavirus survives on surfaces for much longer than the flu virus which is only viable for up to 24 hours.