What colour front door do you have?

[fallen-archie]

If you were destitute and someone offered you housing ready to move in at an affordable rent subsidised by the local authority until you get back on your feet would you object to the front door being painted red?
Honestly I cannot believe that painting doors randomly will stop those idiots who seek out immigrants and threaten them.
In 1973 Clint Eastwood painted a town red and it worked🙀

[joe_bloggs*]

Talking about front doors,I laughed when i remembered what Tony Benn said about people buying their council house,he said they're easy to spot- New front door with a brass knocker and a Tory poster in the window 

[Anonymous]

This is not in response to your post Joe, just a general comment.

I hope that painting all those doors white will be the end of the problem. No one should have to put up with being abused.

Some may say that they should be happy that they get a roof over their heads in the first place, but does that mean they have to put up with that kind of treatment? We wouldn't, would we, so why should they.

The thing is that there will always be brain dead scum around that will find a way to target others to give some meaning and purpose to their own pathetic lives.

It doesn't really matter to them who the target is, where they come from, rich or poor. The fact that someone is different from them is often reason enough. The same group will throw stones at people's brand new windows, break all the nice flowerpots in your front garden or key a nice car they themselves can't afford.

[*.*..lola..*.*]

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@joe_bloggs* wrote:

Talking about front doors,I laughed when i remembered what Tony Benn said about people buying their council house,he said they're easy to spot- New front door with a brass knocker and a Tory poster in the window 

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That is so true, Joe

My dad only voted Conservative once in his life and that was when he wanted to buy his council house LOL.

[vamo48]

A lot of landlords buy their paint in bulk, and red is a popular colour.   A relative of mine has just painted her door red.  I agree that attacking your neighbours is wrong, but isn't it possible their homes were identified by people seeing them go in and out?

[cee-dee]

I'm surprised there's been no "Political War" between those with Red doors and those with Blue.

Some folk have nothing better to do than see a "problem" where none exists.

[upthecreekyetagain]

I don't think the last two posters have actually read the thread!!!

[artful_dodgings]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

And incidentally the houses aren't owned by a housing association but by a very profitable business owned by one of the richest tycoons in the North-East and rented out to that venerable organisation G4S

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So what ? Exactly how does who owns the houses have any relevance to this situation, be they Hosing Associations, or any other form of landlord ?  I presume they are charging a fair rent their premises, since I haven't heard anything to the contrary. They are a business, whether owned by a 'rich tycoon' or otherwise, and as such out to make a profit . As far as I am aware they are not a charity, nor are they Rachman Inc. As per usual, you take nit-picking people's posts down to a fine art. Congratulations !

[artful_dodgings]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

I don't think the last two posters have actually read the thread!!!

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Why are you assuming that  the last two posters haven't read the whole thread ? I think their replies are very pertinent and relevant to the topic. Is it just because they happen to be at odds to your way of thinking ?

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@artful_dodgings wrote:

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

I don't think the last two posters have actually read the thread!!!

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Why are you assuming that  the last two posters haven't read the whole thread ? I think their replies are very pertinent and relevant to the topic. Is it just because they happen to be at odds to your way of thinking ?

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Oh dear

[fallen-archie]

What can the matter be?

[joe_bloggs*]

Not to be confused with the film Behind the green door !

[fallen-archie]

Meanwhile "I see a red door"

[merehazle]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

And incidentally the houses aren't owned by a housing association but by a very profitable business owned by one of the richest tycoons in the North-East and rented out to that venerable organisation G4S

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So what ? Exactly how does who owns the houses have any relevance to this situation, be they Hosing Associations, or any other form of landlord ?  I presume they are charging a fair rent their premises, since I haven't heard anything to the contrary. They are a business, whether owned by a 'rich tycoon' or otherwise, and as such out to make a profit . As far as I am aware they are not a charity, nor are they Rachman Inc. As per usual, you take nit-picking people's posts down to a fine art. Congratulations !

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  yes. It goes something like this:

When someone (who may have been recently pwned) Will dig up any random stuff to try to get back at you or to make you look wrong. And looking for small unimportant errors or faults, esp in order to criticize unnecessarily.

And dragging it on till most have forgotten what the hell it was all about in the first place. Usually a favoured tactic .  Just a tiny example in attachment.

Good night. Oh, and good luck! 

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@merehazle wrote:

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@artful_dodgings wrote:

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

And incidentally the houses aren't owned by a housing association but by a very profitable business owned by one of the richest tycoons in the North-East and rented out to that venerable organisation G4S

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So what ? Exactly how does who owns the houses have any relevance to this situation, be they Hosing Associations, or any other form of landlord ?  I presume they are charging a fair rent their premises, since I haven't heard anything to the contrary. They are a business, whether owned by a 'rich tycoon' or otherwise, and as such out to make a profit . As far as I am aware they are not a charity, nor are they Rachman Inc. As per usual, you take nit-picking people's posts down to a fine art. Congratulations !

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  yes. It goes something like this:

When someone (who may have been recently pwned) Will dig up any random stuff to try to get back at you or to make you look wrong. And looking for small unimportant errors or faults, esp in order to criticize unnecessarily.

And dragging it on till most have forgotten what the hell it was all about in the first place. Usually a favoured tactic .  Just a tiny example in attachment.

Good night. Oh, and good luck! 

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A real and pathetic example of the pot calling the kettle black

You only EVER seem to make posts criticising other posters at a personal level when they don't agree with your own slanted point of view!  Try arguing the point at least once in a blue moon if you're able then we just might have a reasonable discussion.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@artful_dodgings wrote:

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

And incidentally the houses aren't owned by a housing association but by a very profitable business owned by one of the richest tycoons in the North-East and rented out to that venerable organisation G4S

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So what ? Exactly how does who owns the houses have any relevance to this situation, be they Hosing Associations, or any other form of landlord ?  I presume they are charging a fair rent their premises, since I haven't heard anything to the contrary. They are a business, whether owned by a 'rich tycoon' or otherwise, and as such out to make a profit . As far as I am aware they are not a charity, nor are they Rachman Inc. As per usual, you take nit-picking people's posts down to a fine art. Congratulations !

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Read what I posted - I underline the relevant word.

Incidentally - adv - "used to add a further comment or a remark unconnected to the current subject"

A simple piece of information for those who weren't aware - including myself until I looked into the subject.

See my post at #15 to see why I believe it to be relevant - which had the posters at #24 & #25 together with Joe's post at #14 done would surely make their posts redundant without further comment.

[cee-dee]

Look, the whole purpose of debate is to discuss issues arising from the original point of order. One thing leads to another but still connected.

It's obvious you didn't understand my post or why I made it. I did so because people seem to be blowing the issue up out of all proportion from what was probably, originally a pure coincidence and in so doing, attracted more attention to the issue than if they'd kept quiet.

It's quite true that some (note some) immigrants seem to make absolutely no attempt to integrate and in so doing attract even more attention to themselves than they would have done if they'd only "join in". The most basic thing to "join in" is to speak the language of your new country surely? If you don't want to do that, clear off from whence you came?

A friend had a new front door. It was painted Red. Now she just happens to be a staunch Labour supporter. Now then, was she marked out as such or was it a pure coincidence that the door was painted Red?

"Next door" has a Blue door...... and they're Conservative supporters sooooooo, by that reckoning they've had their property marked down as a particular Political persuasion? Along that street is a variety of Red and Blue doors with a smattering of White ones. If you asked me...... I'd say the painters just used alternate colours and the White ones were PVC installed by those who'd bought their Council houses but what do I know?

[merehazle]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

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@merehazle wrote:

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@artful_dodgings wrote:

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

And incidentally the houses aren't owned by a housing association but by a very profitable business owned by one of the richest tycoons in the North-East and rented out to that venerable organisation G4S

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So what ? Exactly how does who owns the houses have any relevance to this situation, be they Hosing Associations, or any other form of landlord ?  I presume they are charging a fair rent their premises, since I haven't heard anything to the contrary. They are a business, whether owned by a 'rich tycoon' or otherwise, and as such out to make a profit . As far as I am aware they are not a charity, nor are they Rachman Inc. As per usual, you take nit-picking people's posts down to a fine art. Congratulations !

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  yes. It goes something like this:

When someone (who may have been recently pwned) Will dig up any random stuff to try to get back at you or to make you look wrong. And looking for small unimportant errors or faults, esp in order to criticize unnecessarily.

And dragging it on till most have forgotten what the hell it was all about in the first place. Usually a favoured tactic .  Just a tiny example in attachment.

Good night. Oh, and good luck! 

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A real and pathetic example of the pot calling the kettle black

You only EVER seem to make posts criticising other posters at a personal level when they don't agree with your own slanted point of view!  Try arguing the point at least once in a blue moon if you're able then we just might have a reasonable discussion.

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'pathetic example'? I see the TRUTH is pathetic? I only post when I want to. Not when you want me to.

'Try arguing the point at least once in a blue moon if i'm able then we might just have a reasonable discussion'. Arguing with YOU?  I am now.  And that is all YOU are getting.  Unless I see I have no choice. 

'I only EVER seem make posts criticising other posters at personal level when they don't agree with my own slanted ?  view   'Pot kettle calling the kettle black'? That would not apply to you then? No, of course not?

My last thread was on 11- 01-2016 (tube drivers) and I put MY point of view right the way through. You can no doubt continue your obsession with argument .  Have a nice day. 

Tick tock. Tick tock. Tick tock.   yawwwn.

[artful_dodgings]

You really don't give up do you ?  Whether you interject with an adverb, you are simply repeating yourself ad nauseum.

You inferred that the Housing Ass, Letting Agency, Landlord, Partner (of ), call them what you will, was somehow scurrilous and objectionable, because they were [quote] 'And incidentally the houses aren't owned by a housing association but by a very profitable business owned by one of the richest tycoons in the North-East and rented out to that venerable organisation G4S'[un-quote] You even went out of way by your own admission, to search them out. [quote] 'A simple piece of information for those who weren't aware - including myself until I looked into the subject'.[un-quote] They are both operating inside the law. They are kosher, straight, and legal. The fact that you refer to them in a derogatory fashion, is absolutely superfluous to the main OP,  and nothing at all to do with the fact that immigrants were being hounded.

Furthermore your sarcastic comment to Merehazel is a bit rich coming from you, particularly the last part of your diatribe where you invite debate. You are intransigent and immovable, it's either your way or no way, a one-way street, where you are always right, and everyone else is wrong.

Oh by the way, my front door is red. I am not however, a Labour supporter.

[fallen-archie]

I think despite the relatively small number of active posters on here what we are seeing is quite representitive of real life. The OP was to test peoples opinions surrounding this issue which the media picked up and ran with for their own reasons. Is it an issue, should all doors be painted randomly to avoid the easy identification of one group or another, was the incident an isolated one or has every house with a red door in that area been subjected to some form of hateful intimidation. The point is the Landlords quickly acted to acknowledge the complaint and have agreed to repaint the doors. 

The problem with any debate is that most individuals make up their mind on something without giving any thought to the view others take. Some entered this discussion seeing it as a pro or anti immigration case, others as an opportunity to attack the role of the private sector particularly where rented housing is involved. Another line taken is that the victims are ungrateful and are trying it on and there is undoubtedly a discussion to be had on each of those topics. Debate however becomes pointless and self defeating once chairs are thown and a pub brawl breaks out, Yes alcohol is the prime mover in face to face situations but on here where you are hidden from danger you could say what you wanted and offend whoever in the process. I've done it a few times but there is no excuse.I woould suggest that those with a modicum of intelligence avoid the face palms and personal comments especially surrounding spelling and grammar and instead concentrate on contributing in a positive way to the debate that way we can all put forward a point of view and reflect the truly diverse opinions held. 

[margaret*e]

Really the row is nothing to do with the colour of the door, but about fuelling resentment e among the indiginous population by housing large numbers of immigrants or whatever in an already poor area.