Welcome to the Great British Underclass

[fallen-archie]

I was chatting to a young lady who recently completed her teacher training and this week was inducted into the new Primary School where she will commence her chosen career. The school is multi cultural and located in West Yorkshire, it is a deprived area but by no means as bad as some inner city areas. Despite this around 90% of the childrens parents are welfare dependent. Most of the children have been labelled as having some kind of lerning difficulty reading standards among eight year olds is expremely poor.

The young Teacher who comes from a middle class background with a strong work ethic is the only member of the family not to be following a medical career, she has always wanted to Teach and help young children.

So what was her verdict following the three days?

The majority of pupils appear to have no respect for authority in any form, Gentle persuasion is the order of the day and the children respond with a tirade of abuse and colourful language.Attempts to impose discipline inevitably result in a family visitation where the source of the colourful language is confirmed. The Head Teacher in conjunction with police and the education authority has introduced a code of conduct and special measures to protect staff from irate and often hostile guardians. What is clear is the children are being raised in a manner likely to confine them to state dependence in one form or another and deprive them of the opportunity to escape poverty. 

We have a young, committed new teacher, keen to get on, with talent and the drive to succeed faced with the uncertainty of a career dealing with feral kids and their often broken families who challenge her ability not by interlect but by threat of physical abuse. The Only beneficiary of this sad situation is Jeremy Kyle. 

Why is it that despite having a welfare state designed to ease poverty and an education system which is free to all we end up with an Underclass seemingly incapable or unwilling to grasp the nettle break away and get on? 

Will this new teacher tough it out or simply follow many others and seek an alternative career? 

[pixiesen2012]

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@joamur_gosof wrote:

The OP is like reading something from the tory media ...never seen so much biased and over opinionated rubbish in a while....

and yep thats from experience in''UNDERCLASS''  ....

Eurgh

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You obviously come from the nicer end of the road!

Being on benefits doesn't mean you have to behave in the way these people do.

I'm from a working class background and apart from the  six months claiming when my child was born I have always worked to support my family, have never sworn at teachers and have taught my children to respect others.

These people are given way too much money and abuse anyone who get in their way.

[Anonymous]

Hello

My mistake

Oh soooo sorry English is my 4th language & ought to have made sure that I did not make any mistake(s)

My humble apologies indeed

How can I have not made sure that my response was indeed 100% accurate = shame on me really

Hope this helps also

[joamur_gosof]

in your opinion ? and if you know where I am from my background and personal experiences ,what I earn  if I have children , what I teach them ....you must be my mother ?,Hi mam 🙂

See I don't do that ,I don't say a doctor or a  millionaire or a poor person or an overweight one or a foreigner etc is somehow to blame for whatever...but bigot's and politicians  do and people who have some form of self importance and assume 'things are a norm ,because they cannot fathom what a person means from what they write or say .

Soo what do you mean ,are you trying to tell me your life story ?

[joamur_gosof]

footnote ..unless they are a politician ,then I assume and opinionate my head off 🙂  but of course in such cases I gladly accept I can be shown I am wrong and opinionated .

[pixiesen2012]

I have no idea what you are on about, I haven't said anything about you or your background.

I have said the foul mouthed benefit scroungers that we deal with have never taught their children respect or given them a work ethic!

[joamur_gosof]

read your post to me ,it assumes I am from ....

anyway ,see what you have caused fallen ..quote

''I have said the foul mouthed benefit scroungers that we deal with have never taught their children respect or given them a work ethic!'' 

I rest my case that a teacher told you to tell us so pixi can get that off their chest ,all we need now is public cullings and we are off to utopia 😄

[joamur_gosof]

ponders...'' the benefit scroungers we deal with''  err nice to meet a dwp staffy on the cafe...nicer still to see the job application form doesn't  need too many human qualities to get the job.

[fallen-archie]

JG I went to some length to be as thorough as I could to present this as an observation not as an attempt to tar all with the same brush. I did not wish this to be made out or perceived as a politically biased story. There is good and bad across society regardless of circumstance so this s not aimed at one sector. It IS about modern behaviour among primary school children, they deserve a better deal as do those who are there to help them. 

[joamur_gosof]

Fair point fallen, and I have never met a more polite crew in the acadamy my kids went to children wise and it was a 90 percent welfare place (seems to be a lot of them)  

However after school was a different matter ...so is it the schools..I am also far from unaware of peoples behaviours and language ,and it does tend to fizzle out at better wage jobs..but not always if david walliams and stephen fry are examples of swearing is for poor folk.

[joamur_gosof]

I will bow out with my personal summary of why...

people who don't have money at all and are dictated to on what this and that ,have a far higher problem with mental health issues than those living well and choosing life options.

To blame ,some say its peoples own fault being poor for being lazy (highest populace figures are in the underpaid,hence more lazy people in country ,more mental health probs more people affected)

I say government social engineering program ,and its very profitable in the power stakes ,having more ill than not,as employment in civil service ,police force and nhs is big big tax pot business.

Getting out is the key and fending for yourselves, It can be done and kudos to those that do or were just born there. However I disagree with finger pointing in todays world as there are many many many hard working ,or disabled or down on luck triers mixed into the fray and finger pointing solves nothing.but to encourage hatred for those we do not even know.

Welcome to 2015 🙂

[pixiesen2012]

Nope, I work in a school, and come face to face with them on a daily basis!

Not everyone who is in receipt of benefits behaves in this way, but there is a large contingent who do, they behave as if the world owes them a living and they are entitled to treat people like dirt and they do not teach their children right from wrong.

It is a fact, I am not making it up.

[joamur_gosof]

I don't think you are making it up ,but read my last post as to why I took up the angle I did on the OP. I do not for one min think I know anything,but It doesn't feel right to me categorizing all into groups of...unless its the Gov then I become a nodding agreeing opinionated lout. 

[cee-dee]

It all started to go wrong in the sixties.

There was a population freed from restrictions, rationing and National Service. It was almost a form of new freedom and to add to it, a lot of post war children were bolstering the school population where it was soon found that there were not enough teachers.

In my school, all the teachers had University degrees, some had several, all except one and he taught music and RI.

To fill the void, teachers were fast-tracked through teacher training colleges and that must have led to standards being lowered?

As well as a new form of freedom, a lot of people reacted against the "old ways" with their restrictions and discipline. The "new" teachers were the same, they wanted to throw off the old shackles and on top of that, they saw the old established teachers almost as part of "The Establishment", they didn't want to conform but wanted all that the old-hand teachers had got but they didn't want to spend half a lifetime getting it, they wanted it NOW.

They taught the kids to be like them, anti-establishment, reactionary, non-conformist with a liberal (with a small "l") attitude to wrong-doing.

The parents were the same in all that which all led to a lowering of standards and the kids lack of respect for authority, their teachers and their parents too.

At one time, breaches of discipline led to punishment of one sort or another (and I don't mean beating the life out of kids) and wrong-doing for adults led to sanctions of one sort or another too.

It's got so far now that adults have no respect for "authority" so is it any wonder that the kids have picked it up too?

What to do? Apart from going back to some of the more drastic sanctions for wrong-doing, I just don't know, do you?

[joamur_gosof]

Cant say I do know CD ,wish I did,you make a lot of valid points ,the only one I see is wrong is they did beat the hell out of the kids for wrong doing...so in that respect the old crew did influence the new crew to stick two fingers up at it all.

Education should purely be about teaching self worth and that as a value ,and then on to seeing that value in others,and finally a helping each individual towards the goal they wish to achieve...or a teacher.

We all know now that the stand in line be silent side of teaching is nothing more than repressing and that causes many known reactions from the children..or minor adult humans...in fact the very well documented chemical goings on in adolescence is actually deliberately manipulated to cause reactions,in such controlled territory .

Well everyone cannot be a genius and therefore earn millions ,no one would move tescos fridge contents now would they as they would be to busy being well paid whatevers...so its all control.

As such ,IF there are failing in this part or that part of the system ,I am pretty convinced it is deliberately so... No idea what to do about it, but it deff should start in the school and the teachers. I think we agree there .

[cee-dee]

It's got to the point now where people think they can do as they like if they disagree with something or someone.

Two separate "protests" here :-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33503167

http://news.sky.com/story/1517577/oxford-students-want-racist-statue-removed

The first will have cost millions of pounds in losses not to mention the criminal damage of cutting the fence. I suppose none will admit to cutting it so I think they should all face that charge on the grounds of "Joint enterprise". The costs for the losses should be revoverable in some way including bankruptcy and considerable jail time if the cost can't be recovered.

The second one will, in all probability eventually result in some form of criminal damage there whether by paint or actual damage.

There just has to be an end to the idea that just because you disagree with something, you can disrupt and/or damage on the grounds of "legitimate protest".

We've gone too soft on wrongdoing.

[Anonymous]

I don't think it's the benefit system that is to blame.

Anyone who has had the misfortune to live on it will be able to tell you that it's not enough to live on, believe me. The flat screen telly and the corner couch are not paid for, they are bought on the drip over about 4 years. They live on credit and never get out of it. It's a never ending downwards spiral. The X-mas presents are bought from the catalogues and paid for over a year. If they go on a holiday at all it's not to some exotic place, but a week in Benidorm on a cheap package holiday. They shop at the Aldi or Lidle not Sainsbury's.

Should they go without a telly or something to sit on? Should their children not have a nice X-mas? Should they never have a break from their lives? As a parent you do what you can to give your kids something.

We live in a changed world and can't keep comparing it with the old days where there were no benefits. Some people might have been able to keep their heads above water in those days, but they had to rob Peter to pay Paul and it was bitter hardship for most.

Ever read Angela's Ashes? That was how it was. My hubby could have written that book. He lived it. Do we have to go back to those days? Children starving and dying because of malnutrition, no shoes on their feet, no food on the table, no electricity because there is no money to pay the bill? Or worse, being evicted because they can't pay the rent. Is that the solution?

Will that get people to look harder for jobs? Jobs that aren't there by the way, except of course the jobs with nil hour contracts that don't help anyone. Will that make people more respectful for authority, will it breed nicer children or will it create just more disillusion for their future? Will it make people angry and resentful towards the establishment?

I think it's not all that clear cut and you can't just blame one thing. It's not just one thing that needs to change, it's a whole range of things.

[electric*mayhem*band]

Reading some of the postings on here....

(Anyway, Kudos to Harriet).

[fallen-archie]

I so agree with you Harry, the OP was not meant to pigeon hole all benefits claimants, I said that the system was at risk of abuse and it is. Anyone caught in uncertainty after a job loss can get support to help them through and that is civilised. Where I draw the distinction is that you get two homes with identical circumstances. One is well kept, tidy and shouts pride from its inhabitants. Next Door is overgrown, has junk scattered around, a malnourished dog tethered to the linen post and children running riot. Two houses both on benefits but with a different perspective on life.
The only genuine reason that there can be a stigma attached to benefits is created by those who blatantly abuse the system, it is the same people who rush to school and complain when little britnee gets told of for effin and jeffin.

[Anonymous]

I do get that fallen, but most people are decent and the media tars people on benefits with the same brush and it becomes tiresome.

Why are there no programmes on those decent people on benefits, why only show the tea leaves and benefit fraudsters. Why always portray the poor as scum. I 'll tell you. Because it doesn't sell newspapers, because it doesn't get the viewing ratings up. And lets not forget how all that effects the voting system.

You can keep saying it is the few who spoil it for the rest, but when the media only shows the worst of the worst, the public opinion isn't changing, is it. As long as we kick against it, there will be no solutions for it, there will be no help forthcoming to change the situation. You just perpetuate the situation.

[astrologica]

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