12-08-2019 10:16 AM - edited 12-08-2019 10:19 AM
I've just listened to a tirade by a Labour MP!!!!
It was about "Sporting Interests" in the countryside. He was attacking Grouse shooting (What a co-incidence, it's The Glorious Twelfth today), Pheasant shooting and Fox hunting. He was making stupid claims about "The Environment" and habitats.
He was claiming that the burning of Heather (on Grouse moors) damages the environment and habitats. Now then... there's a couple of ways of burning Heather, 1/ with the wind and 2/ against the wind. After establishing a regular cycle of burning, (every 15 years?), the idea is to burn with the wind for a "quick burn" so that the light growth is burned off but the roots and stems don't get damaged and the heather quickly produces new, healthy growth which the Grouse "like" and that the Heather doesn't "get leggy". Burning with the wind is also often done after a period of wet weather so that with a drying wind, the dry, light growth burns but the roots and damp ground is unharmed.
Burning against the wind can damage the roots and seeds as the burn is more intense and burns off leggy, woody stems but can also spread down in to the peaty layers.
Usually, controlled burning is done in sections in cycles, not the whole moor at once! As well as providing fresh new Heather by burning, many estates also lay down medicated grit to aid the Grouse and reduce parasites.
Moving on to Pheasant shooting, what that bloke didn't realise is that a lot of the countryside we see today is a mix of woodland and farm land and the way it is isn't a co-incidence. A lot of it was planned with "sporting" in mind. Without any "sporting" interests, the land would have been cleared of woods for farm land and there's be no "habitats"!!
Moving on to fox hunting, I've never been in favour of chasing a Fox for miles and letting the hounds rip it to pieces but again, a lot of the land was laid out with "sporting" in mind.
Now the tirade that I heard seemed to me to be more to do with clamping down on "The Rich" than anything to do with "The Evironment and Habitats". It sounded more like populist jealousy. If there were no gamekeepers, poachers of all sorts would have free reign to do whatever they wanted without fear of being seen or caught. Today, poachers are highly mobile and travel many miles to do what they do.
That ranting chap seems to want to tell landowners what to do with their land on the back of buzz-words "habitats, global warming, the environment" but seems to either forget or not know that the land is a mix of it all for good reason.
I wonder if he's also in favour of the "animal rights" activists? The ones that go round doing what they think will "stop" what they consider to be "wrong". They're the ones that went round releasing Mink from the Mink farms which have now spread everywhere causing damage to what was our existing wildlife. The same ones that have now started attacking Game farms and have recently caused the deaths of thousands of young birds.
It wouldn't surprise me if they were behind the shooting of (for instance) Red Kites trying to get the gamekeeprs the blame for it!!
Before anyone asks, NO, I don't go foxhunting, shooting Grouse or Pheasants.
So, it's over to the RT for comment?
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
12-08-2019 4:25 PM
wot about richard gere jumping in mouth first
love the reply he got from Goverment in italy
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On Saturday, Salvini, who last year declared Italy’s ports closed to migrant rescue ships, replied to the actor: “Given this generous millionaire is voicing concern for the fate of the Open Arms migrants, we thank him.”
“He can take all the people aboard back to Hollywood, on his private plane,’’ Salvini said, “and support them in his villas. Thank you, Richard!”’
12-08-2019 4:48 PM
Don't you just love them...self important virtue signallers, who of course are so much nicer than the rest of us, who open their mouths before putting their brains in gear. Love Mr Salvini's reply!
12-08-2019 5:02 PM
Not knowing much about burning Heather (CeeDee seems to know a lot about this!) I can't really make a comment about that. I just have a very simple outlook regarding bloodsports. Any sport which involves killing or distressing any animal should be banned outright..and as soon as possible. And I would include horse racing in that too. The present fox hunting 'ban' is a joke, and the law is complicit in the flouting of that ban. Glorious twelfth my a*se.
12-08-2019 5:05 PM
I have no problem with raising animals for food and skins so long as they are reared in good conditions and killed humanely.
I do not see any justification in killing animals for fun even if the by-product of that fun is food and/or better environmental conditions. What human quality is enhanced by killing for fun?
12-08-2019 7:22 PM
13-08-2019 6:39 AM
Sorry CeeDee -
But You have just described, the perfect way to raise
A GROUSE MOOR
Not the Natural Moor, where new heather sucks the water out and helps contain a moor,
Full of wildlife
Not a place where well over 70% of the Birds that actually survive (high mortality rate anyway)
To be shot ---
Are thrown into ditches, en masse and buried -
Not even eaten
Barbaric bloodlust
13-08-2019 6:45 AM
Grouse Moor - the Truth
All Fox corpses
13-08-2019 9:50 AM
Well Al if that's what actually happened on a Grouse moor that's totally indefensible. Are there any details of locations? Whoever did that needs throwing off the moors.
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
13-08-2019 5:45 PM
Whoever did that needs shooting.
13-08-2019 10:22 PM
20-08-2019 7:34 PM
Until scum like this are gutted like the grouse,nothing will change. I believe plans are in place for major land reform in Scotland,sooner the better. When they get rid of the rich lairds and incomer landowners the better IMHO.
What they contribute is negligible in big scheme of things.
21-08-2019 7:36 AM - edited 21-08-2019 7:37 AM
Those piles are everywhere, theres 'Business Shooting'
People pay a fortune to act like a Toff
No one eats any Birds - they are shoved into a pit as well
They all go and eat Coq au Vin
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I have NO problem with People who go and hunt and shot Grouse etc and eat them
I have major problems with People who go out and blast Birds out the Sky for Blood soaked Fun
and even worse the Owners of such shots, being in the vanguard of 'protect local customs'
Well they never have, most of the money goes to Rich landowners and London Companies
21-08-2019 7:40 AM
Shoots
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31-08-2019 10:29 AM
@lambsy_uk wrote:
“I do not see any justification in killing animals for fun even if the by-product of that fun is food and/or better environmental conditions.”
The FUN is the justification, right there in front of you!
“What human quality is enhanced by killing for fun?”
The enhancement of a Good Shot!
Are you really claiming that if an activity is considered ‘fun’ by those participating then that is justification for the act?
Those taking part in **bleep** fighting, hare coursing and dog fighting no doubt consider it fun - are these also justifiable pastimes in your opinion?
Maybe you consider being a “good shot” is a “human quality” - I think you are mixing a skill up with a quality.
31-08-2019 8:27 PM