20-02-2016 12:36 PM
How about an RT poll?
No reasons, no argument, no debate just a straightforward IN or OUT.
Me? OUT.
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
06-06-2016 8:24 PM
I've already got the Gold Watch, it's on my wrist right now.
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
07-06-2016 4:49 AM
>> Half the major new regulations now come from the European Union... the Foreign Secretary is today publishing new guidelines for the implementation of EU laws into the UK... (Gordon Brown, Budget speech, 2005)
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/mar/16/economy.uk
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07-06-2016 6:31 AM
@mustard-tree wrote:If the vote goes for OUT (which I hope it does) will we be able to go back to our feet and inches, lbs and ounces, gallons and pints.
..and do you want 240 pennies in a pound?
07-06-2016 9:22 AM
If we went back to the old systems, there's a whole generation that don't have a clue about them.
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
07-06-2016 9:26 AM
07-06-2016 9:30 AM
It's a shame you didn't add some paragraphs and/or line spaces to that excellent bit of info.
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
07-06-2016 10:26 AM
07-06-2016 10:32 AM
Excellent summary
Just one thing missing - you are voting to leave the single market.
07-06-2016 10:35 AM
@upthecreekyetagain wrote:Excellent summary
Just one thing missing - you are voting to leave the single market.
With the way trade with the EU has dropped over the years i doubt that will matter soon enough anyway.
07-06-2016 10:54 AM - edited 07-06-2016 10:55 AM
@astrologica wrote:So Creeky...you think the prospects for the young are more varied. Have you got youngsters working their socks off in the hope of one day owning their own home? They haven't got a hope in hell unless Granny and Grandad help them out, or they can go to the Bank of Mum and Dad. Some of them can't even get a job, and when they do it's for peanuts because of the low wages being driven down by immigrants . But then...as we are in the EU they can always go and work in Romania or Albania or in one of the other poverty stricken EU countries. The way of life in those countries is almost Medieval...that's why they all want to live HERE!
And most of what is bandied about by the Remainians is just fear inducing supposition. No-one knows what is going to happen whichever way the vote goes. I'm not listening to the endless recitation of figures...billions here, millions there...I am looking at what's happening in the Mediterranean, and now in the English Channel. I see that on TV and I know that that is true...it is not actors playing those migrants..they are real. That is enough for me. I am voting out for my grandchildren.
Yes I do - do you really remember 1973!
Sure if your dad was a miner you had every 'hope ' of spending a short life underground - your dad a steel worker, then you would surely follow them - dockers, ship builders, farmer, car worker and so on - opportunities to escape were few and far between.
Education for those outside the middle and upper classes has totally changed as have opportunities to do something different. Not because of planning by UK or EU politicians but in spite of them.
House prices have gone up - this has put youngsters in the middle earning range at a disadvantage but there's one simple reason for that - BRITISH governments of all varieties haven't built enough houses! _ we haven't got enough social housing, planning restrictions have discouraged developers and we haven't ensured that those houses we do have remain habitable - NONE of that is down to membership of the EU - there is NO EU regulation restricting the building of new houses. So much for sovereignty and the will of the people being heard!
I don't care if we stay in the EU or not - won't make the slightest difference to me whether we are told what we can do by a bunch of two faced bureaucrats in Brussels or in London - they don't care about me, they don't care about you and if you really think any of the politicians supporting either campaign have chosen their stance based on what they think will be best for the country then you are living in cloud cuckoo land!
07-06-2016 11:05 AM
http://news.sky.com/story/1708070/eu-rules-let-50-violent-criminals-stay-in-uk
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
07-06-2016 11:27 AM
'Speaking on Sky News, Lord Mandelson, the remain campaigner, accused Vote Leave of "distorting" facts and said that while it was right to raise the 50 criminals, people must take into account the 6,500 criminals rounded up and deported from the UK since 2010 because of the European Arrest Warrant.
He said: "They take a germ of truth, they then generalise from it and in the process they distort the real picture."'
Something both sides, including Lord Mandelson and many on this thread, are guilty of!
07-06-2016 11:57 AM
Yeeees, very true ain't it Creeky?:-
"However, Mr Raab told Sky News Lord Mandelson was conflating two issues and pointed out that extradition was different to deportation.
Mr Raab said that the UK removed eight times as many non-EU nationals as EU nationals from the country, highlighting the restrictive nature of the rules."
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
07-06-2016 2:27 PM
If we weren't in the EU in the first place, those 6.500 criminals probably wouldn't have been here committing criminal acts, so we wouldn't have had the problem of rounding them up and sending them home.
07-06-2016 2:47 PM
Creeky..the problem is not that we have not built enough houses...the problem is that we have TOO MANY PEOPLE! We cannot go on allowing immigration to soar to unmanageable levels, and have everyone bleating that we haven't built enough houses. No-one seems to be looking at the problem logically......small island...too many people. Are we going to end up with no green space, no countryside, because we fail to control our numbers? Is that what YOU want? Where will YOU draw the line and say enough is enough? The whole world has too many people. We are breeding ourselves out of existence, and this country is where most people would like to live.
And twenty years down the line it will be much much worse...with Muslim in comers having loads of children and they all get families of their own and need houses.....where are they going to go? For Gods sake....wake up (I say that and I don't even believe inGod) .I hope everyone who has a vote takes a moment to look into the future and do some logical thinking. And aside of the housing problem...the social problems would be huge. Anyone who has a Utopian rosy view of peoples of all races and religions living in perfect harmony needs to get real. For me , the immigration problem is the biggest worry,and the main reason I will be voting OUT.
When you put two mice in a cage they breed. Then the babies breed. Then they outgrow the cage. Then they start to eat each other.
07-06-2016 3:53 PM
The problem with that argument though is that leaving the EU will make immigration control MORE difficult not less so!
07-06-2016 4:34 PM
07-06-2016 5:48 PM
And how do you explain that? Been listening to Dave and his cronies have you?
07-06-2016 7:23 PM
No - it just seems common sense.
Over half the legal immigrants to this country over the last 5 years are not EU citizens. Membership of the EU is therefore irrelevant with regards to that group.
The 'out' campaign are keen to point out that students from the EU will be encouraged to attend our universities and colleges - that a point system will be in force for higher educated potential immigrants, doctors, nurses, teachers, engineers etc. That exemptions will be made for entry by those working in the 'care', agriculture, building sectors and also probably the hospitality sector. Every time a spokesperson is challenged over how a particular industry would manage without immigrant workers there is a fudge or total failure to answer the question.
So even if we don't join the single market after an exit vote, (which would require the free movement of EU workers), a large proportion of those coming to this country from the EU nations for employment or education would still be able to gain entry.
But the elephant in the room is illegal immigration or more relevantly illegal workers - they contribute nothing to the Exchequer, they are a health risk as well as driving down the earnings of the low paid. There is no doubt in my mind that exit from the EU will make control of our borders more difficult - we have an open border between Eire and Northern Ireland that would need resources to control - if Scotland leaves the UK and joins the EU ther is then yet another open border.
Cooperation with the French to prevent illegal immigrants from crossing the channel would suffer.
An even simpler reason to be sceptical of the Brexit campaign is the blatant lie written large on the side of the Boris Battle Bus - "We send the EU £350 million a week" - No we don't - simples - so how do you explain that lie?
07-06-2016 9:08 PM
I'm not absolutely sure on this point, but isn't the European Court of Human Rights; accessible to non EU migrants, as well as EU migrants. So, once here, can't non EU migrants appeal to the ECOHR; when threatened with deportation ?? I'm not sure about Abu Hamza's full nationality status, but I do know he held Jordanian citizenship and that didn't stop his appeal to the ECOHR; which as we know, caused us no end of problems getting rid of him.