Is the Labour Party broken?

[cee-dee]

Seven MPs have resigned from the party to form their own group. What next?

It seems it's Corbyn and the Left that's the "problem"?

There's no doubt that Corbyn is and always has been a lefty and that Momentum group sounds like trouble too? They're behind several instances where there's moves afoot to de-select sitting MPs.

What next?

[margaret*e]

Seems Tories aren’t the only party consisting of back stabbing traitors.

This is a time more than any other that all parties should be showing a united front.

[cee-dee]

The TV news will be full of it along with loads of meaningless speculation?

I wonder what Al will have to say about it?

[astrologica]

Politics as a whole in this country is broken. Both main parties are tearing themselves to shreds. I don't think Brexit is the main cause, but it has certainly exposed the nastiness that is embedded in both parties. Both parties appear to be totally out of touch with the electorate, and just seem to be pursuing their own ideological agendas. Most MPs seem to be self serving hypocrites, and there are very few genuine trustworthyMPs with principles these days. Having said that....we are living in very interesting and exciting times politically. I never get bored with it....we just never know what's coming next. And this latest episode from these Labour MPs is just another pronouncement..I doubt if anything will come of it.

[fallen-archie]

Corbynistas will doubtless see this as simply a few less to de-select, mores the pity that certain Tories don’t follow suit IMHO. I agree with Astro in that I cannot remember a time when we have had such a poor group of representatives, the only people taking advantage of this fact are activists from both the far left and far right, in which case the frustration shown by these labour MPs is understandable , although I do not exclude any of them from my previous assessment of the state of politics.
Perhaps they will surprise us all however I suspect that the twitter storm they will face will sadly dictate their futures in politics!

[cee-dee]

Their future? Not long if the previous group of breakaways is anything to go by?

[fallen-archie]

And therein lies the problem, with our system people generally see it as a them versus us choice whereas it ought to be more aligned to PR which at least would give us some semblance of democracy

[al**bear]

I was a very active member of the Liberal Party, when the gang of four left Labour and formed the SDP

I viewed them as traitors, they should have stayed and fought from the inside

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I don't think this lot are a patch on the SDP founders Politically, all they've done is give the Tory press and the Government ammo to throw at Corbyn and deflect attention away from the Tory party's own divisions, and the mess that is Brexit.

Chuka Umunna will be a loss

Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Gavin Shuker and Ann Coffey.   Who ?  Their performances yesterday proved they will not great loss and likely will be out on their ears, next election.

Luciana Berger & Mike Gapes - GOOD RIDDANCE  a pair of backstabbing traitors, who have caused endless ructions in the past few years - They have spat out their personal hatred in print, on air and inside the H of Cs - so can't see many tears spent on that pairs departure, from inside the Party. (Look at the backing these two are getting from the Tory press, says it all)

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Corbyn needs to be challenged from inside the Labour party - outside the party, these people will be able to do nothing -

These 7 leaving, has actually WEAKENED, any chance of internal party action, over Corbyns Brexit stance, His stance being against, what was agreed at their party conference.

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There should be an internal Labour Investigation into any involvement of Peter Mandleson, I am sure I spotted some of His Young clones organising the Press conference for the splitters

[cee-dee]

I see Derek Hatton has re-joined the Labour party? So now we'll have Momentum And Militant vying for supremacy and what price the party?

[cee-dee]

I've just watched an interview with DH (he's knocking on now, 71?) and four times he was asked if he condemned the abuse the group of seven had endure for leaving the LP and he evaded the question each time, often going in to a long and rambling response  about anything bar the question asked.

When asked yet again he said he condemned the abuse of anyone....... but didn't specifically mention the group of seven.

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Personally, I would like to see the emergence of a strong third party.  I’m not convinced, though, that these particular 7 have the makings of the bones of one.  Time will tell.

Chuka, in particular, is highly ambitious and he was never going to achieve his dreams in a left-of-left Labour Party.  He would have been a rip-roaring success in Blair’s era.  

If Labour do not get in at the next election, I suspect the far left element will split further from the centrists.  Whilst Corbyn may have some appeal amongst the populace, I can’t see anyone to replace him should he loss another election (all the hype notwithstanding, he did lose the last one) who would carry the same kudos with the electorate.  He is a one-off and he can garner votes where most far-lefties cannot.

[cee-dee]

Another one has quit the LP now so it's a group of eight.

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+ 3 from t’other side ...

[fallen-archie]

Let’s hope this continues and gathers real support throughout the country! None of them attempted to question the PM today because they see the waste of time it is, they also complain about the standard of debate which has deteriorated beyond belief, I wish them every success in their quest and hope that this time it will actually beer fruit!

[cee-dee]

Gonna speak my mind here now......

I think the standard of MPs has dropped considerably. Apart from the fact that far too many are too young for the job having come straight from school/college/university and have absolutely no knowledge or experience of the real world or business..... there's also those who are the most pompous, arrogant, ignorant and distinctly lacking in manners. There.... ?

[garygee]

Didn't last long then

[cee-dee]

Goodness me, Hatton has been suspended from the LP already (allegedly for comments made about Israel in 2012)

[joe_bloggs*]

If Corbyn thinks that by keep apologising  he’ll placate his enemies he’s mistaken. It’s not about ´antisemitism’. Never has been. It’s about bringing him down & preventing an antiwar Labour government,. Only his resignation and the return of Labour to Blairite policies will placate his enemies.

[fallen-archie]

I think it would help his cause somewhat, if we could have some truly representative examples of where his brand of socialism/pacifism has actually worked, at least and despite the very considerable efforts of the left, Tony Blair was electable! Iraq was a mistake, despite the fact that it rid us of a tyrant, but had Corbyn been in power we would have done nothing, and he would allow the place to be awash with arms
Whilst denying the British an arms industry to counter any threat! I suppose we could ask Russia to help us, they bring a fine upstanding and balanced social democracy!

[garygee]

Doing nothing about Iraq as far as the British are concerned would have made zero difference to the outcome of regime change, since it was essentially a US initiative , that would certainly have gone ahead without the UK

If you think it was a mistake then its odd you seem to then approve of it nonetheless 

bizarre