Simple Delivery rip-off

[rogerday]

Simple Delivery is now the default setting but it is possible to opt out of Simple Delivery by selecting "Switch to Advance Options".  Why is Ebay pushing this?  

Simple, Ebay gets a discount on the postage and creams off some of the cost the buyer pays. The seller gets nothing to cover packaging and other costs like driving to the post office because home collection is not offered with Simple delivery. My advice is OPT OUT OF SIMPLE DELIVERY

[nockdown2u]

This  is Ebay answer to free to sell !  they now get buyer protection plus all postage costs. Who is paying for the packaging and the collection cost---WE THE SELLERS

[robuck2uk]

since this post i have put some books up for sale (large letter size) and i do get the option of large letter under 2kg or parcel under 2kg. which is ok for books, useless for my single sheets of music. The postage price on the listings before all this change stay like it so i can just charge £2 P&P still but if i try to edit the post simple delivery kicks in again

[dantwocats]

still very hit and miss on prices as well some cards listed still £2 .72 but change the item category (still under cig cards but other cig cards ) and its back to do your own  90p  and still not put the high postage back to the right costs £5.15 or £3.68 back to £3.38 ?

 

[molly5]

Found your articl interesting, what do I have to do to opt out of simple delivery?

[tressygirl]

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@molly5 wrote:

Found your articl interesting, what do I have to do to opt out of simple delivery?

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You cannot,  it's to be mandatory for all Private sellers.

@molly5 

[gav_win]

If you are a private seller you no longer have the choice of opting out unless you are selling a list of small items costing under £10.

I sell many 7" singles in vinyl format which i sold for 99p plus postage to look after the buyer, now having spent 2 days trying to list 1 single I have given up trying to list a record for less than twice that meaning neither the buyer or seller is no better off and guess what Ebay are the only winners when they add the buyer protection of 88p and paid for a label and packed and taken your parcel to post office and then find that the buyer hasn't paid so go back home and argue with someone about whose fault that is.

Money grabbers with no thought for the people who pay their wages, this is the straw that has broken this camels back so I will have no choice to sell my singles anymore on ebay other than in bulk quantities which is not what my customers are after.

Good luck all, who knows common sense could prevail and they will let you list how it has always been and which has got ebay where it is now but this is by far the worst change ebay have ever made to date and I am appalled.

[robuck2uk]

totally agree. my sheet music sales mostly under £2 now priced out of
the buyers range. Most buyers want their special tune, not a bundle. and
of course the seller pays the packing 25p and collection by postman for
30p. Most of my stock comes from charity bundles i buy sort and sell on.
Wont buy bundles if i cannot sell them.

[gav_win]

They need to take a good look at categories such as yours and in my case 7" singles which are under the £10 bracket but in my case for example are subject to big differences in postage prices from 100gm weights upward, it is something that needs addressing and should be dealt with from their customers point of view rather than making more money for themselves.

[incredible_how]

No it is not so good for lower price items - the buyer protection or simple delivery. But you are not going to get to the post office and find the buyer hasn't paid. The buyer will have paid for you to get the postage label.

I have chosen in the past to sell items of £4.50 with tracked 48 at £2.70 (around Christmas time I prefer tracked), but with buyer protection and a couple of extra pence because I have opted for Royal Mail only (Evri drop off too far away), I probably won't be doing that. We would have been better with buyer fees, when they were removed it seemed obvious that some other way of making money would appear.

I have actually sold some things on Facebook despite my rural location. But not a very wide audience for specialist stuff. And to be honest none of this is any good for me as a buyer!

[brainuk]

Well, I have experimented with this on my home pc. I have opted for JUST Royal Mail and also JUST Evri, then tried with both switched on. I was getting virtually the same price. Now, with Evri switched off (Thank goodness), I am paying £3.38 for a small parcel up to 2 kg through Simple Delivery. This is cheaper than I can buy on the RM website!!

[mysoncharlie]

I really hope so! after 25years of selling, it is really awful that "We" no longer have a choice. 

[eh17lad]

Just off the Online Chat to try to get some of my items under £10/100g opted out but they say it is all automated and only offered if the computer says Yes. They then posted this which sums up what they are doing. Pushing small part time sellers to move to the business plan and back to around 12% fees.

"The process is design for private seller,  please allow me to explain whom we consider as private, those seller who sell their personal belongings  and sell less than 30 item in a year. If  you are looking for all advance feature like business please change the account to business."

Maybe we need a business account to sell low cost low weight items. I am trying to sell loads of model aircraft bits n bobs and many things ship for £1.55 2nd Class Large Letter but thats now not available so everyone will have to be charged £1.20 more to cover eBays greed.

[robuck2uk]

then to add insult to injury they suggest you list at a lower price than
the £1 it didnt sell for last time because of 80p buyers premium aznd
£1.20 more postage than needed and packing and collection (55p) not even
considered

[brainuk]

Almost on topic but I am putting this message on as many threads as I can to keep you guys and gals informed. After a few phone calls with eBay to clarify matters, and getting all the 'facts' I needed, I made the decision to change over to be a Business Seller.
MAJOR MISTAKE.
Yes, there is a £27.00 + VAT charge to have a basic Shop. When you are a Business seller, you go back to the old days where you pay a Final Selling Fee which averages around 9-11% of what an item sells for. I have 2350 things on eBay but it is a 'hobby' so enquired about the Business seller side of things just in case.
What they do NOT tell you and I cannot find it anyway is this.....
When you are a Private seller, EVERY one of your items relists EVERY 30 days. There is NO charge to you for this so it stays listed until sold or you remove it. As a Business seller you have to pay for your items to be relisted EVERY 30 days.
I signed up to a Basic Shop at £27.00+VAT per month and I get 250 free listings every month. Considering I only list between 30 and 100 items each month, I thought this would be fine. WRONG. Every month, my 2350 items will relist at some point and the first 250 of these will come off my 250 Free Listings allowance. The OTHER 2100 have to be paid for at £0.10p each + VAT. That is another £252.00 I have to pay just to keep my listings re-listed each month!! This doesn't include any new listings I might want to put on.
When I enquired, I was also told that if I feel I made a mistake going to Business Seller, I could reverse the whole thing. Guess what.....WRONG AGAIN. Now my choices are Say Goodbye to eBay, open up a new private seller account and slowly transition all my items across and LOSE 11,373 feedbacks or I just swallow the bitter pill and let the robbers have their way. I could pay £77.00+VAT (£92.00) per month and have a Featured Shop and this would give me 1500 free listings but I would then have to pay £0.06p per listing for anything over that. So having 2350 items listed, my monthly bill is going to be £92.00 + £51.00 = £143.00. Then I would still have all the Final Selling Fees to pay.
Why would anyone in their right minds sign up to that???

EBay, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

[saintetienne]

I have a question with eBay suggesting private sellers converting their accounts to a business account.

What if, as a private seller you've been contacted by HMRC about your selling thresholds over the past year... you have a conversation with them explaining that you're a private seller/selling your own items. HMRC are happy with your explanation. Case Closed.

However, a month down the line Simple Delivery is driving you nuts.... and you take eBay's advice to convert to a business account 'unlocking' the 'benefits' of the old school postage options.

HMRC by chance see this change to your account - what would happen then? Would they assume you were a business all along and playing some sort of hustle? Would you be fined because they believe you lied about being a private seller a month ago and gave an excuse that the eBay tea maker answered the phone giving you bad advice?

We live in an utter clown world.

[incredible_how]

30 items a year is not a lot is it?

[brainuk]

Either 30 items in a 12 month period of £1700 (roughly) in sales. Whichever is reached first.

[jonatjonatjonat]

It’s also a load of nonsense from customer support.

there is no written policy that states eBay consider anyone who sells over 30 items in a year a business seller.

kat@ebay  marco@ebay  some retraining needed by the sounds of it

[brainuk]

The problem is these are HMRC's new digital accounting rules which all selling platforms have to abide by.

[sml192]

Yes, but the digital reporting thresholds on their own don't define whether or not someone is a private or business seller.