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We are always hearing of campaigns to make cycling in London safer, and quite rightly so - make it


as safe as possible.  However, that requires some input from the cyclists themselves as well as they


share the roads with other vehicles.  More often than not the irresponsible behaviour of vehicle drivers


is highlighted during these campaigns and spoken about on tv etc.  They often go on about how they


want more respect from other road users, sometimes justifiably, we all want that, after all when everyone


is behaving as they should on the roads, everyone is safe.


 


The other evening I was driving a coach with people going to theatre and my expeiriences with cyclists


in the city was, I'm sorry to say, very negative.  I had cyclists trying to squeeze up the inside of the coach,


jumping red lights and, worst of all, hanging onto my rear lights and getting pulled along.  Dreadfully dangerous at the best of times, but coaches are big things and if one turns left with a cyclist hanging on the back, that cyclist is probably going to be wondering why he's (they're usually blokes) had a close encounter with the rear end of a coach, or not be wondering anything because he'll be crushed underneath it.


 


When I went to park along the Embankment, I got into a bay at the front and was going to back up to get close to the kerb.  I could see traffic and cyclists and was waiting until they'd passed.  The abuse I got


from a couple of cyclists was unbelievable, one tried to sneak up the inside in a gap that was scarecely a foot wide, banging on the coach all the way alongside it and scratching it with his handlebars.  Another was hanging on my back light. 


 


That was it, enough is enough.  I had a word with them, politely but firmly.  I said to them both if they want the respect from other road users that we all want and deserve, then do not do that.  I said how come they are always complaining at others' behaviour on the roads and yet they appear to think they are exempt from


the law and can do what they like?  Most of them completely ignore traffic lights.  Some of them no doubt wonder why they get knocked off.


 


Whilst parked, I saw two idiots on bikes doing wheelies and acrobatics along the Embankment, in the dark - no helmets, no lights, no high-visibility clothing - right in front of a policeman!


 


On the way home another idiot cyclist riding on an unlit road, pitch dark, no lights, black clothes, no helmet. 


 


There are some good, law-abiding cyclists amongst them, people that wear good visibility clothing, a helmet and cycle according to the rules of the roads.


 


We all know there are some arrogant drivers out there, yes, but there are good ones too and most are not out to get cyclists.  It works both ways.  Us coach drivers aren't out to get cyclists, or anyone else, either


but neither to we want cyclists damaging our coaches with handlbars, hanging on our rear lights and doing daredevil acts all around us and not wearing suitable clothing and a helmet, so when they are being stupid, we can at least see them quicker.


 


Perhaps these campaigns should interview people from both sides and take a bit of film around London


one evening - that would paint a truer picture.


 


OK, rant over, thanks for listening!

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I've been a cyclist for about sixty years and have lost count of the number of near misses I have had with idiot car drivers, mostly being by left hooked, that is by a driver passing then immediately braking and turning left into a side street and I have even had one stupid woman drive out of a car park straight into me.


 


Oddly enough about 75% of drivers who have really done their best to kill me have been woman.


 


I hold no brief for cyclists who do ride badly but I would suggest that pedestrians using shared pavements actually take notice that it is shared, keep off the cycle side and make sure their kids do as well.



 


And all the cyclists I've had near misses with have all been men!!!!!!!!!!!  Even had idiot cyclists riding 2 or 3 abreast and they think it is hilarious to hold up all the traffic.  


 


Also Bank Haunter, have you ever driven a car?  Motorists bear the brunt of hikes in the cost of petrol,  road fund licence (road tax) and insurance.  Cyclists don't have anywhere near the same outlay as motorists do and I think that cyclists ought to start paying insurance.  After all, they are using a vehicle on a public highway.

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Only problem is the driver was not expecting to see a cyclist and was not looking for one - WHY?


 


Don't drivers need to look where they are going? Cyclists have a right to be on the road.


 


There's a well marked cycle route which avoids flyovers with a 50mph speed limit and nowhere to go to escape altogether!!!!!!


 


You should try cycling on some of them, many are just a box ticking exercise and not suitable for using at a decent speed,in many cases are simply unsafe and why should a cyclist have to give way at every side turning or entrance of any sort when they would not have to on the road?


 


 


 



 


Sorry we are not talking cycle lanes here we are talking safe cycle routes.  There is a marked route either on a lane or shared pavement alongside the local 30 mph roads which are relatively lightly used by cars who take the flyovers.  Cyclists have plenty of safe options.  Cycling on the flyovers is legal but totally stupid - just not safe.  As i said I have seen about 3 cyclists in 20 years of using the road.

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Sorry it posted itself.


 


I agree about a lot of cycle lanes not being fit for purpose.  New road built in the 70s has a rarely used cycle lane.  Most cyclists use the pavement, a lot push up the hill anyway.  Some bright spark of a planner put drains right across the cycle lane(or the cycle lane across the drains) so the cyclist can bump down onto grids, across grids and up every few seconds, ride on the quite narrow lanes(because the cycle lane was an afterthought) or use the pavement.


 


As to motorists - have seen plenty of near misses but reckon about a ratio of 4 bike caused to 1 car caused.  That could be because I rarely drive during the rush hour.


 


Funniest incident i ever saw was a cyclist approaching stationary traffic.  Rear end of lorry approaching, cyclist head down texting totally oblivious to said lorry. 

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Cyclists don't have anywhere near the same outlay as motorists do


 


What on earth does that have to do with it?


 


Using that as an argument is the same as saying that drivers of cheap cars should give way to those driving more expensive ones, you don't get extra rights because you pay more.


 


As for insurance, there is nothing to stop a car driver suing a cyclist if their car is damaged, cyclists have to resort to that if a motorist damages their bike.


 


Also I repeat, not all car owners pay vehicle excise duty, it's based on emissions, roads are paid for out of general taxation which cyclists also pay.


 


I have owned cars and many cyclists are cycling from choice, they also own cars.


 


Sorry we are not talking cycle lanes here we are talking safe cycle routes.


 


Unfortunately many 'safe' cycle routes/lanes are simply not fit for purpose mainly as they cannot be used at anything approaching a reasonable speed, I cycle at between 15 - 20 mph, I can do it on the road but I cannot on a shared path where I may have to slow right down or even stop to avoid pedestrians and of course every place there is access for cars to cross even if it is only a small private car park, I am expected to give way.


 


I know of one where the part for cyclists just ends every place the path narrows, that's why I rarely use them


 


Apart from drains etc. there are also the obstructions, who in their right mind thought it was a good idea to mix a cycle lane with people waiting for a bus or putting a sign indicating a cycle path on a post slap bang in the middle of it?


 


Incidentally a small study observed that motorists pass closer to cyclists where a cycle lane is marked at the side of the road than they do otherwise.


 


 


 


 

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On our seafront promenade, also on the clifftops, we have a cycle route that is shared with pedestrians; the pedestrians like to walk four abreast and do not like moving over for cyclists, in fact some won't.There are signs letting them know it is a shared route.  If approaching them from behind, I always use my bell, but get ignored. Common courtesy is needed from both sides as well as common sense.

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Ah Bankhaunter - one local planning officer has clearly travelled a long way.  No common sense.

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The old railway line between Weymouth & Portland is a shared cycle path, footpath & dog walking area. Many cyclists use it as a way to work. I guess about 5% have a bell & most cycle far too fast, as if they were on a race track. Head down & oblivious to the walkers, children on their scooters & dogs. Fair enough if it is their route to work but it is also a leisure area for locals & holiday makers. The police have pulled them over on occasion but it makes no difference. They don't seem to have any consideration for others at all.

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The old railway line between Weymouth & Portland is a shared cycle path, footpath & dog walking area. Many cyclists use it as a way to work. I guess about 5% have a bell & most cycle far too fast, as if they were on a race track.



 


There you have it, a route designated for cyclists to use but one on which they cannot cycle as they would do normally, they are not cycling as if on a racetrack but as they would on the road.


 


Such paths might be okay for those who amble along or for small children, however they are useless for proper cycling.

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Then they should go the long way round on the road.

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Pushed too soon...Drivers drive according to the road conditions, cyclists should do the same. If it's a shared footpath they should cycle accordingly. Not ride as if they are on the road.:-)

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Personally i thank that cyclists ought  to have Insurance just like car drivers , if they have an accident however it was caused it all comes down to claiming off the driver upping his /her insurance etc ..just not fair   imho  sorry if it upsets any cyclists  but i do believe it would be better for all 

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Not ride as if they are on the road.


 


Quite, my point is that shared paths are not a suitable alternative to cycling on the road, they are an additional amenity, old railway lines are brilliant, I have one that starts where I live.


 


http://www.ldwa.org.uk/ldp/members/show_path.php?path_name=Ystwyth+Trail


 


The trouble is that shared paths are considered suitable alternatives and cyclists are being pushed off roads particularly where new roads and layouts, such as the one I mentioned earlier, are designed with no thought given to the needs of cyclists, why bother they have a shared path.


 


Near me there is a shared path that passes by a retail park a mile or so out of the main town, no one actually thought to provide a tarmac path from it into the retail park, to do so you have to ride over a piece of rough ground, if instead you are going by road you either have to cross the pavement and go down a short footpath or go around a large busy roundabout as if you were in a car.


 


That's what I call paying lip service and illustrates the failure to seriously consider the needs of cyclists.

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Ah industrial estates.  


 


New OS building is supposed to be terribly green.  Which is why there is a big car park and no proper pedestrian access.  Cost a fortune putting new roads and footpaths in(note footpaths as cyclists can use the road).  Of course you can walk off site on nice new paths that go absolutely nowhere!! There are no paths for them to join onto. Of course you can use the bus - bus companies diverted a service round there meaning everybody using that service past the usual turn off got stuffed with higher fares.


 


Then there's BnQ where unless you have a car you have to negotiate the motorway roundabout on your bike(not for the faint hearted) or cross 2 slip roads and walk along the edge of the roadway as a lot of staff and customers do.!

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 I was with my son in law at an out of town store near Southampton when he suggested we visit another nearby shop, I asked him why we were going back to the car instead of walking if it was close by.


 


He pointed out the sheer impossibility of doing so, two large busy roundabouts and a length of dual carriageway with no pedestrian access.


 


Presumably the planners considered that no one either walking or cycling would ever want to go there.

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Sounds like Hedge End.  Never go near there from personal choice. Told you that planner got around some!! LOL.  

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Sounds like Hedge End.


 


The very place. 🙂

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I have also said on this thread that cyclist should have insurance.  The person that started this epetition clearly has the same idea.


 


http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/43234

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Sorry but I forgot to put an 's' at the end of cyclist.

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Sounds like Hedge End.


 


The very place. 🙂



 


See I'm psychic! 🙂


 


Had to be.  There's plenty of places requiring car moving between shops due to parking restrictions on time but only one "nightmare to drive round and impossible to walk round" place.

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All we cyclists want is a safe passage to wherever we need to get to. Not a day goes by that I manage to get home without my blood boiling from idiot drivers driving too close to me when overtaking. So many cyclists are killed by being 'doored' is it any wonder we give parked cars a wide berth. Please consider this when you overtake a cyclist. Please give them enough room not to be killed!


 


If there were adequate cycle routes we would use them!!!! No cyclist choses to risk their lives on the road. I'm sick to death of whinging motorsists. Us cyclists who abide by the rules do not deserve your contempt. Your hate and impatience is what puts us in danger.


 


I'm also getting quite sick of the ignorant "cyclists don't pay road tax" argument. Arggghhhh!!!!! X-( No we don't and neither do drivers! But some of us cyclists including myself, do actually pay CAR tax just like you non cycling drivers. Don't assume cyclists don't drive. In fact I think ALL drivers should be made to cycle so they can get a proper perspective of how trecherous it is out there. Maybe then you will treat cyclists with a bit more care, patience and understanding if not respect. It will certainly make you a better driver after you have learned how to share a road not OWN it X-(.

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