Twins Rafael and Fabio Man Utd....... or not?

[loobyloo6]

I sent a request to each of these lads via Carrington in August 2009 that's right over 3 years ago...sent them 2 index cards each and asked for a signed CC if that was possible as players don't like signng index cards.....anyway both replys turned up in the same envelope today.No signed CC's but both index cards signed by each twin..both adding squad numbers even though Fabio is out on loan at QPR he's have his No 20 on them.....Looking at Carl's signed CC from the other day ' not convinced these are genuine....unless some of you know different...Matt/Carl/Colin/Paul.....Not like Utd to send out "Sec's" though... Ineed convincing these are Good un's before they go in the bin. Any help? over 1,000 days waiting and the might get binned.

[Anonymous]

interesting that Alex just been putting together a guide after dicsussing with a fellow united fan who is always at carrington and we came to the conclusion they are being signed by their dad who picks them up..will add scans in a min of my ips but fabio is at QPR so no way has he signed those the writing is also different and far too neat and the graff too simple when rushing you get hideous graffs from both so I can see how sitting down going through thousands of letters would produce something so neat. give me a few mins to add examples but I would say they should be binned, also odd how after 3 years they start replying and 1 in particular who is the other end of the country living in london

[loobyloo6]

Thanks Matt...After opening the envelope and looking at them I soon realised that they were not right.......happy to bin them mate.

[not_brazil_norn_iron]

Having not studied the Rafael sigs closely before until this came up i have to say i am fearful too - The alarm bell is why did Rafael suddenly begin to reply when Fabio moved to London? And putting 2+2 together it does appear that someone is (possibly staying) within the Da Silva household who has decided to tackle the mail sack - I have no idea what Rafaels living arrangements would be but it strikes me that family or friends have possibly moved in to keep him company in Fabio's absence (coz them 2 were/are inseparable) - It could also explain why Fabio has signed with "20" because this is something i doubt Fabio would do now and is little detail which may not occur to someone that is signing on Fabio's behalf.

There are some discrepancies with the Rafael sigs. As Matt has said Rafael is usually a messy short sig. All the club cards so far have been full sigs but there are signs within that do not concur. e.g i looked at Carl's cc and it appears to have been signed "02", why did this happen?  Would it suggest that it was someone who's english isn't very good? i.e a brazilian relative? There's also things like the A in the sigs that doesn't match up. It's hard to explain with just words but i would be highly suspicious of these Rafa-Fabio's coming out recently

[loobyloo6]

Thanks for your imput Colin     destined for the bin.

[Anonymous]

here we go these are comparisons of both:

here are a mixture of fabio ip's:

http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt308/mattbolton15/fabio.jpg

http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt308/mattbolton15/fabio09-10cc.jpg

and here a mixture of rafael ip's, the rafael top right (at old trafford) is an example of an un rushed full autograph which was obtained at a reserve game when he first signed, for the club..there was only me waiting so hence the more full sig:

http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt308/mattbolton15/rafael.jpg

here now are the sec replies hope you dont mind me using your photo Carl but as we can see they look to be done by the same hand, fabio the F is wrong as is the 'ABIO' and rafael the R is off all shakey and some differ, as is that 'A' that has been added after the R, some have a perfectly written '2' on them, some have a line which looks like a '1' on the end some fabio's also have 2 and they both cant be 2 surely if they had signed each one would know their own number like they put ip. my view of this is that their father who drives them well just rafael now as fabio is in london has done these as he is also their agent and handles everything else to do with them.

secs ttm:

http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt308/mattbolton15/ttmsecsrafaelandfabio.jpg


hope this clears a few things up for everyone now dont send to the twins, I did have my suspicions from another forum then saw the cc so decided to compare then a few others including Alex mentioned it tonight so im not alone in thinking this either.

Matt 🙂

[thehornets]

Shame, but good study/info lads.

[film4watcher]

That's an awfully long wait for a bit of recycling, Alex. Pity.

[loobyloo6]

Thanks all....todays reply has cheered me up though. Back to me book requests.

Will get that here soon.

[rcsmg1]

Shame they look like secs Alex,especially after the time you waited for them!

[kimbub16]

have to agree they dont look good , shame that doing secs

[obree]

That's a shame Alex thanks for letting us see them it saves other people waisting their time and stamps .

[wheel-lose]

unlucky mate