Question Re: False Advertising in Member To Member Support DO NOT DELETE

False Advertising

bu-3922 — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 10:28:11 GMT

I want to complain about several venders who selling LED lamps for vehicles. BTW, I am an Electrical Engineer so please note. The correct electrical term for a device that gives off light is a LAMP. Bulbs (an American term) are what you put in the ground to grow tulips and daffodils.

First, many vendors frequently miss-quote lamp’s base type as suitable for H1, H3, H4, H7, & HB2 or some other reference (i.e. base is how lamp fits into light shell). Lamps cannot have multiple base types at same time. Unless sold with adaptor, which I not seen listed in spec.

Second, lamp is either a headlight (i.e. twin beams) or a fog/spotlight (i.e. single beam). I know some headlight now use a single lamp for each beam, but headlights and fog-lights have different beam patterns.

Thirdly, they often mix technological types by stating lamps both LED and Xenon or Tungsten. These technologies completely different from each other and cannot be mix. So page headline total sales gibberish.

Finally, if lamp has twin beams, they must specify each beams individually power output (i.e. either in lumens or watts). In addition, must NOT quote total power for both lamps plus both beams in pack, as if it one lamps output. Must quote power for an individual lamp and each separate beam if applicable. When buying a four pack of household lamps. Pack state’s power of individual lamps inside (i.e. 100W), not total power of all lamps in pack (i.e. 400W). \

As most cheap LED vehicle lamps made in China. As usual, China does not use internationally recognised standards. They fudge spec to sound impressive. However, lamps sold or manufacture in west DO quote lamps power correctly. Does no one check vendors’ not falsely advertising on website?

I noticed spec quoted by different vendors appears to be identical. As if a lot of copying and pasting going on. Alternatively, maybe it really just one vender using multiple accounts (i.e. Chinse Government). I already sent two lots of vehicle LED lamps back from different vendors. As LED lamps did not meet expectations as advertised. Then harassed me to change my review when I give a poor review based on false advertising and selling a sub-standard product.

Re: False Advertising

tobiasd4 — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 11:51:40 GMT

All listings say "Seller assumes all responsibility for this listing."

Ebay don't see item, so has no way of knowing if details are correct,

but if there is a problem you are covered by ebay MBG.

Re: False Advertising

1956glyn — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 11:58:53 GMT

We being given an English lesson too at the same time now? If i have a table lamp and the bulb blows and i go into a lighting store and ask for a lamp i would be given a complete unit and not a replacement bulb. I may not be an electrical engineer but that is not here nor there in the above example.

If one of the headlights goes on my car then i just go to Halfords or somewhere and buy a new bulb. Why make everything so complicated ?

The above aside......it is up to any buyer to know what they want and need. If something is misdescribed in a listing then buyers always have the Ebay Money back Guarantee to fall back on. If a buyer is in doubt as to what they need then they can contact the seller and ask for further details about their product.

If i wanted to be really pedantic......the word nowadays should be vendor and probably not vender as you have typed.

Vender is an outdated spelling for the word vendor that is defined as someone who sells things. An example of a vender is a man who has a hot dog cart and sells hot dogs on the street corner

Re: False Advertising

double_o_heaven — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 13:01:06 GMT

I'm sure that was a fascinating read, but the fact that your opening paragraph is so obviously wrong in the general sense of the commonly used word, dissuaded me from entertaining the rest:

FYI, from the oxford English dictionary:

Lamp: Noun.

A device for giving light, either one consisting of an electric bulb together with its holder and shade or cover, or one burning gas or oil and consisting of a wick or mantle and a glass shade.

‘a table lamp’

Regarding the rest - what Glyn ^^ said.

Re: False Advertising

1956glyn — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 13:03:21 GMT

it was the first paragraph that got my attention 🙂

Re: False Advertising

bu-3922 — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 09:56:24 GMT

I’m afraid you all wrong, no matter what the Oxford English or any other Dictionary says. They only publish common meaning of words in use. It does not mean the usage is technically correct. However, the ‘Institute of Electrical Engineers’ that governs electrical standards, define a device that gives off light as a ‘Lamp’. It in the BS7671 Wiring Regulations.

Therefore, the thing you put the lamp in is a ‘Lamp-Holder’. The thing you use to shade the light is a ‘Lamp-Shade. Furthermore, the item the lamp holder fixed in, if table or uses any other mounting method is a ‘Table-Lamp’ or ‘Lamp-Stand’ etc. Notice the common thread of the word ‘Lamp’. What they not called is a bulb holder, bulb shade, or bulb stand.

The word bulb is a slang term imported from the USA (unfortunately like many words). Don’t let your lack of education make you look foolish by criticising those who do know. Bulbs are still what you put in the ground to grow plants form.

Re: False Advertising

double_o_heaven — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 11:06:08 GMT

Love your fascination / obsession over this. Of all the things that matter in the world right now, I can safely say this is not on anyone else's list of troubles 😄

Did you miss the highlighted word "general" in my reply? People will only list using words that enable "most" people to find what they are selling. Very clearly, you are not most people however...

Re: False Advertising

1956glyn — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 11:34:37 GMT

I have put my mittens on.........

Re: False Advertising

1956glyn — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 15:53:20 GMT

Ok.....i think the Ops membership may have expired double_o_heaven ‎

The Institution of Electrical Engineers (IEE) was a British professional organisation of electronics, electrical, manufacturing, and Information Technology professionals, especially electrical engineers. It began in 1871 as the Society of Telegraph Engineers. In 2006, it ceased to exist independently, becoming part of the Institution of Engineering and Technology (IET).

DOH you may now address me as an electrical engineer as i can change a plug and can change a light bulb

I need to go back to Goggle as i always thought it was the HSE that governed electrical standards

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