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Tony Blair and Bill Gates.

astrologica — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 09:20:29 GMT

Both Tony Blair and Bill Gates are in the news today. Tony Blair with reference to the Chilcot Enquiry, and Bill Gates with his dire warning regarding Middle Eastern and African immigration into Europe. Bill Gates, one of the most humanitarian philanthropists in our world today, has warned that the flood of immigration into Europe is catastrophic, and that the EU should address it immediately. The EU will not address this at all. It is a deliberate policy and will be allowed to continue. Indeed....the EU is increasingly pushing for the U.K. to take more migrants. It is interesting to note that Mrs Merkel and Herman non Rompouy have both been recipients of the Coudenhove Kalergi prize...as has Tony Blair, and interestingly, Winston Churchill. The origins of this prize have been hidden, and it is now benignly known as the Charlemagne prize. The original Kalergi plan from 1922 seems to be coming to fruition (lots of references on Google) but the UK behaving so badly with its Brexit vote has the EU masters having temper tantrums.

The original Kalergi plan is shocking, but, as with the original aims of the EU, have been hidden from the ordinary people.

Have to end there...Tony Blair is on TV....I just have this overwhelming urge to throw a brick at it.

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right-then-petal — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 10:31:28 GMT

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astrologica — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 10:55:43 GMT

Petal....what is that? A pile of rubble?

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right-then-petal — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 19:38:35 GMT

yes, save's picking up a brick

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astrologica — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 21:41:51 GMT

Ah....I see!😄😄

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margaret*e — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 21:46:49 GMT

He and most politicians have that effect on me too.

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al**bear — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 05:59:12 GMT

Looks like Tony BLiar was intentionally splashed all over our media, right at this moment

To deflect attention away, from the Tory Party being in total disarray among themselves and the disastrous truth now dawning on even the most rabid Brexiteers, that Brexit is going to be a total disaster for the British Public, UK Companies and even the City of London

Have You noticed how many times His name was mentioned, by May, her Ministers and the Tories media puppets, over the last 10 days. Be it Grenfell, Public sector pay, Europe etc etc

Coincidence, don't think so

Tony BLiar is the Tories equivalent of Labours blame Monkey Thatcher

Funnily enough he's that to a very large section of Labour supporters as well

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fallen-archie — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 10:11:23 GMT

I have never been sold on the idea of demonising politicians, yes Thatcher is hated by many and yet she took some really tough decisions to the long term benefit of this country, likewise Blair did the inconceivable and made labour electable, he deserves credit for that! I would prefer them both to the current line up.
Bill gates will only be taken seriously by those who admire his business acumen, there are huge problems with migration, it is not entirely the fault of this nation however we do need to coordinate our response including offering support beyond NGOs to resolve medical, political and humane problems in the countries most seriously affected. Most of these countries have populations out of control and suffer drought and famine, these are all things which could be addressed so why aren't we?
We pour millions into foreign aid why don't we
Target these countries and develop their economies and natural resources it's not rocket science!

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cee-dee — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 10:18:55 GMT

Blair is old hat now, Corbyn is the "now" man. He's way to the left and the Labour party is moving further that way.

In years past, Miltant tried to become dominant, now a new group called "Momentum" is attempting a really Leftist move along with trying to make Labour MPs regularly stand for re-election plus calling for pressure to be exerted on any party critics............

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fallen-archie — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 10:26:23 GMT

I agree the far left have been attempting to exert pressure on the Labour Party for years and now they really do feel that they are in the ascendency, I cannot see this proposal to deselect some who don't tow the far left agenda to be deselected, there are some excellent MPs like Lisa Nandy who could face the axe and that would surely back fire on them. I certainly hope so!

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tuckerbigdaddy5ngv — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 11:52:54 GMT

I miss BOP

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j_uk643 — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 14:00:40 GMT

The interview with Gates was given with a German newspaper which in context appears to involve foreign aid and a need for other countries to do more in that respect. The extraction and translation was by Breitbart a right wing organ How that has been extracted, presented and 'churned' by other right wing media is their decision .

Here is Gates on camera talking about immigration. The topic appears at the end of the clip

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LFk-F6ds8Gw

Here is the piece on immigration from the clip itself talking about refugees from areas like Syria and Afghanistan etc.

Gates comments

' Well certainly the US should set a better example by taking in more refugees, we have the capacity , even though it's not easy, I think Germany and Sweden should be congratulated for being more of an open door approach on this thing '

Gates has appeared before Congress arguing for flexible approach to h1b visa applicants and a need to import more immigrants infact unlimited on h1b when he went before Congress

Zucherberg CEO of Facebook has said similar and goes further on immigration

my italics, and bold

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j_uk643 — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 14:14:53 GMT

Most of the large number of displaced refugees in Syria are currently held in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi, Iraq, UAE etc , with the UK being considerably down the list, for the forrin averse

It's doubtful but for earlier US policy in Iraq, & Russia's own agenda, the situation would be quite as it is.

Clarissa Ward is a war correspondent who speaks Arabic, Russian and several other languages. Her view is largely echoed by other war reporters in that region,which has become increasingly hostile to outside journalists in it's propaganda war

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJZ6xz6X-zA

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astrologica — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 14:17:35 GMT

The Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan....read it?

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j_uk643 — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 14:23:12 GMT

It must be a conspiracy lol

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fallen-archie — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 14:38:39 GMT

I watched Clarissa Ward, for sure it sounds harrowing, but then so it was here during WW2
Yet we chose to stay and fight! Yes some children were evacuated to the countryside but they did so often with a heavy heart at leaving their parents behind. What we see unfolding in North Africa and the Middle East is a population out of control, lacking discipline, breeding for fun and lacking even the most basic provisions. If we have a responsibility, and I believe we do, it is to improve their lives by investing in infrastructure schools etc to help them if they are willing. I would willingly help where I could as should the religious communities throughout the region, it is no good pretending that we i.e. Europe has all the answers and that we should simply open our doors, give them hope in their own countries and rid them of those who seek to destroy them. How we do that is open to discussion but. It ought to be achievable.

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j_uk643 — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 14:51:42 GMT

It's not surprising then that given two world wars and millions of lives lost within a short space of time, that some would see a more integrated Europe as an answer to not only that period but for the conflicts within Europe spanning over hundreds of years

Did you?

That was a choice of the UK govt, this is a war of Assad against his own people

So do numerous Syrians, but with little to fight with against constant Russian bombing from it's air power, gas attacks, it's a fairly one sided conflict

Your analysis as usual, leaves a lot to be desired

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j_uk643 — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 14:58:38 GMT

Btw I think it's quite likely that had you put 'sooty' as leader of the only main opposition party in 97, he would have won

Magaret Thatcher was a keen supporter of the Single Market, she just had a limited understanding of possible implications

Blair, much to his chagrin no doubt, will largely be remembered for his 'with you all the way regardless' love letter support of Bush

It's difficult to understate the long term effects of that intervention.

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fallen-archie — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 15:10:45 GMT

The conflict goes beyond Syria and includes countries like Eritrea, Somalia, Morocco, Tunisia, even Nigeria is in there, why?

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j_uk643 — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 15:12:15 GMT

good opportunity old chap, to do some reading in your increased leisure time these days.