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    <title>topic Re: OK, in or out? in The Round Table</title>
    <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4781968#M182233</link>
    <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/3775847"&gt;@jd.linklater&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;I watched Question Time last night and thought Dan Hannan made a very convincing case for getting out.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Got the government leaflet today, these are supposed to be the highlights of the UK's much trumpeted&amp;nbsp;Special Status deal.............&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;We will not join the Euro&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;We will keep our own border controls&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;The UK will not be part of further European political integration&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;There will be tough new restrictions on access to our welfare system for new EU migrants&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;We&amp;nbsp;have a commitment to reduce&amp;nbsp; EU red tape.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;So what's special about that? The first four points are all achievable outside the constricts of the EU and the last one won't even be applicable if we leave.&amp;nbsp;The rest of the leaflet amounts to little more than scaremongering in my opinion.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;I'm still in the&amp;nbsp;&lt;FONT color="#ff0000"&gt;OUT&lt;/FONT&gt; camp.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Cameron has been reported as admitting he had no idea what he was going to ask for, and IMO he shamed the UK with his game playing.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The issue of the Euro is a non-starter as it was never going to happen.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The border controls is a load of bunkumb becaus a) after 4 years we cannot stop any of todays migrants to the EU from coming into our shores and b) we've got such lousy border controls due to cut backs in funding and training that they're seeping in all the time.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The policy non-integration makes a mockery of our membership because it means we'll have even less rights or influence within the EU.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The restriction on access to welfare is, IMO THE most appalling of claims by dave that he got us a special deal because it's not just utterly ludicrous that welfare such as child benefit can be claimed even partially in two countries when it ought to be only claimable in the country where the child lives across the whole of the EU&amp;nbsp; (so no-one is a special case), the deal that has been rigged up is going to cost a small fortune to administer by the DWP!!!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The statement that there is a commitment to reduce red tape - I keep hearing the Remain lobby going on about a "reformed EU" is also bunkumb because dave has negotiated a reduced influence for the UK anyway and there is nothing coming from the EU about getting serious reforms and reduction in the bureaucracy and profligate expenditure which keeps failed policitions and anonymous administrators in their exravagant lifestyles.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;There was a very good programme some days ago on Radio 4 where people from other EU countries visiting over here, were asked their opinions and it was really refreshing to listen to 'ordinary' people who had a far greater understanding of the UK's position than any politician has given and what they felt was probalby the right course for us versus what they would rather we did from their point of view.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;It took an Irish politician to be the first that I heard a couple weeks ago on another programme to actually say that he really hoped the UK would not leave as the EU needed us.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;None of the nasty threats about how we'll lose all employment rights, for example (so we are being threatened with losing all rights because neither the Govt nor Labour would be prepared to introduce legislation to keep the same or similar legal rights?&amp;nbsp; Isn't that a kind of blackmail?)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Not just none of the threats about national security but an actual admission from so many other countries as to how important the UK is to international security, but also pointing out that just because a country isn't a part of the EU, doesn't mean it won't or cannot share information on terrorist and other warfaring threats.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;A golden opportunity has been squashed as surely as a hippo trampling on a newt's eggs and I believe it would have made all the difference to so many and driven the EU to change.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;But no, we are told you vote yes or no and THAT - IS - IT!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So, because we have an effete 'leader' of the UK, instead of being able to hold our standing internationally, whatever the outcome, we will be diminished.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Just a load of power-corrupted, stupid pointless gits, the lot of them!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2016 20:06:30 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>aernethril</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2016-04-15T20:06:30Z</dc:date>
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      <title>OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4685884#M177516</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color="#0000FF" face="book antiqua,palatino" size="3"&gt;How about an RT poll?&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color="#0000FF" face="book antiqua,palatino" size="3"&gt;No reasons, no argument, no debate just a straightforward IN or OUT.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color="#0000FF" face="book antiqua,palatino" size="3"&gt;Me?&lt;FONT color="#FF0000"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt; OUT&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 12:36:37 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>cee-dee</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T12:36:37Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4685901#M177517</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;OUT&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 12:43:13 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>jd.linklater</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T12:43:13Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4685913#M177519</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face="helvetica" color="#339966"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;FONT size="5"&gt;IN.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 12:48:08 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>fallen-archie</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T12:48:08Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4685914#M177520</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT size="6" color="#FF00FF"&gt;Out&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 12:48:56 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>aandreab1234</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T12:48:56Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4685965#M177524</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Shake it all about&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 13:13:43 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>suzieseaside</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T13:13:43Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4685974#M177525</link>
      <description>Out</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 13:15:38 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>******lynda******</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T13:15:38Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4685975#M177526</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;...and do the Hokey Cokey&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 13:15:57 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>aandreab1234</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T13:15:57Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686041#M177533</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face="arial black,avant garde" size="3" color="#FF0000"&gt;OUT&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 13:38:49 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>dark_castle1</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T13:38:49Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686237#M177547</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;IN&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 14:57:44 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>lhasa.two</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T14:57:44Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686252#M177549</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Out!&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 15:05:15 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>astrologica</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T15:05:15Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686331#M177558</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;OUT !!&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 15:38:53 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>evoman3957</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T15:38:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686450#M177571</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG alt="Photobucket" src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v115/bearsrme/wollyhattime.gif" border="0" /&gt;&lt;EM&gt;&lt;FONT color="#0000ff" face="comic sans ms,sans-serif" size="3"&gt;Out&amp;nbsp; &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:30:30 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>right-then-petal</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T16:30:30Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686453#M177572</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Fence&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:30:56 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686453#M177572</guid>
      <dc:creator>upthecreekyetagain</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T16:30:56Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686467#M177574</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color="#0000FF" face="book antiqua,palatino" size="3"&gt;As people posted, I've been guessing who'd say in or out before I looked and I've not been wrong yet...... Until..... I had you down as IN.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:37:02 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>cee-dee</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T16:37:02Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686589#M177581</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;The poll as it stands so far is&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Out = 8&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In = 2&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Abstentions = 1&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Spoiled Votes = 2&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So far it is going against what the paper polls have said.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 17:35:12 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>dark_castle1</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T17:35:12Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686671#M177587</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Abstaining for now, I won't make my mind up until I have read enough about the possible or likely consequences of being in the EU or not.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 18:17:56 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>suzieseaside</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T18:17:56Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686812#M177593</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I guess plenty of people think a better job can be done, by people other than our current politicians; but at least they are British.&amp;nbsp; Lord knows, at times one wonders if we have anything in common with our fellow countrymen ( we always seem to be split down the middle, 50% wanting one thing &amp;amp; 50% the other )..........but at least we come from the same land, have the same history and have ancestors; that died for the same values.&amp;nbsp; If you want our laws and values made and controlled by a German, Frenchman, Romanian, Hungarian, Poll, Czeck, etc etc.........then vote to stay in the EU.&amp;nbsp; But remember if, in years to come, you don't recognize the country you live in anymore.......don't be surprised.&amp;nbsp; I don't know if this info. is any good, but the more the better before we make this crucial decision.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-law-what-proportion-influenced-eu/" target="_blank"&gt;https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-law-what-proportion-influenced-eu/&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 19:15:14 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>evoman3957</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T19:15:14Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686987#M177598</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I don't think a poll of RT posters will reflect anything like the national polls are suggesting. Some of us may not even be around by the time a referendum is held. The fact that CD has been able to predict the majority of our answers correctly is not simply a testimony to his intuition but also more obvious given the nature of discussions on here and the snuffing out of opposing views.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;From what I can gather most see the EEC as being responsible for all that is wrong in our country today from the level of immigration to the excessive spending by the bureaucratic machine spawned. You seldom hear much positive feedback as those with vested interests, especially the media, continue to churn out all the negatives they can find.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am ambivalent toward the outcome and can see both points of view, My only hope is that people really think carefully about the future and the direction the world is moving. We are still independent nations who have chosen to develop closer cooperation. As a result there are many petty arguments, each nation jockeying for whatever advantage it can gain. Never really been any different, Still if and when we do seek to leave we can always return to fighting them on the beaches.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 20:32:16 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>fallen-archie</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T20:32:16Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4687018#M177601</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I have to say that, even on a wider front, the United Nations must be one of the most&amp;nbsp;dysfunctional organizations ever created. It must just be an organization thing, the bigger they are.......the more useless they are.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 20:43:06 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>evoman3957</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T20:43:06Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4687085#M177607</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Need to look at the stats more, but in the eu only Germany and France seem to be of any significance, compared to the rag tag hangers on. They need our trade more than we need theirs as far as exports go. The last week has shown what a painful process the EU has become as&amp;nbsp;bureaucratic and wasteful as anything i can remember.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I say OUT&amp;nbsp;&lt;FONT size="1 2 3 4 5 6 7"&gt;&amp;nbsp;except that small coward in me may change their mind at the last mo&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:04:44 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>start-the-fire</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T21:04:44Z</dc:date>
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