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    <title>topic Re: OK, in or out? in The Round Table</title>
    <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4690542#M177807</link>
    <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/1360436"&gt;@upthecreekyetagain&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;Not sure the NHS is a good argument for leaving - quite the contrary I would have thought - as with the care system many of the low paid jobs rely on migrants - one of the areas I'd like more information on before deciding - what's going to happen as regards EU migrants employed in this country if the vote is for 'out'.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Firstly&lt;/STRONG&gt; with regard to future of workers if we leave, there is no reason anything should change dramatically, workers should just apply for the appropriate visa's to stay and work - just as UK workers do now if they go to work overseas in the US or any country outside the EU. Besides the make up of the NHS is from the world over - especially the Philippines so not sure why it should make any difference if we employ someone from France or Germany? Give them a visa and its sorted! Australia has existed like this for years and is better off for it!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;You hit the nail on the head with low paid workers - the EU has long been &lt;U&gt;used&lt;/U&gt; as a supply chain to keep wages down by using low paid overseas labour. Maybe if we left, the UK government would be forced into paying more realistic wages for care workers and that would then attract more people to do the job!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Secondly:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT size="3"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;If we don't leave - their will be no NHS for you or your family to rely on.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;I'll explain how I arrive at that conclusion...&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;My wife worked as a teacher for 30 years and took early retirement last year because she'd had enough. Enough of the massive increase in migrants that were destroying the educational fabric of the school and making her job impossible to do! She was a good teacher as are many of the others who still teach at that school. However approx 8-10 years ago the influx of what were then called 'asylum seekers' was putting a growing strain on the system. Standards fell, exam results fell and teachers started to leave - especially after their pensions were being pillaged by Gordon Brown and co! Nothing changed under the tories and Michael Gove and other education ministers demanded 'higher standards in core subjects such as English'. Well thats very difficult to achieve when you have approx &lt;U&gt;200 migrants from Roumania alone&lt;/U&gt; who have never been to school let alone speak English! The school is destined to fail - and the teaching staff are the fall guys! As staff leave they are replaced by less experienced and sometimes poorly trained replacements - BUT THEY ARE CHEAPER! The road to decay has begun!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;When my wife handed in her resignation the headmaster kept asking her to change her mind, he kept giving her the letter back, but thank God she insisted! Today the school has terrible staffing problems in core subject areas such as Maths and English. Only last week my wife spoke at length to a teacher who is still at the school and he told her he could not wait to leave as it was a living hell. It's now a tinder box with many of the other ethnic mixes ready to do battle with the Roumanians (and migrants from other countries) - Fights are commonplace because quite simply these different groups hate each other!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Back in the early days of migrants arriving the school had a member of staff who was dedicated to ensuring newly arrived families settled in to the local community and parents were aware of their part in their childrens education. The staff member responsible for these children frequently discussed with my wife many issues that arose concerning these newly arrived migrants.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Children would be there one week and the next week the whole family would be gone elsewhere, these kids were totally unruly, they would get up and walk out of lessons and would often not be seen again for several days. These kids had little or no experience of a school and so did not know what it was all about.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT size="3"&gt;I have never forgotten one comment that this staff member said to my wife. &lt;FONT color="#FF0000"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;"Do you know Judith (name changed), there is not one of these children that I'm dealing with, that does not have one or more members of their family who have come here to make use of the NHS - they have come here purely for that reason alone"!&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;If you think I'm wrong - vote yes and take the risk with your families lives.&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Unless we leave the EU we will never have any control over our borders - and Europe will force us to accept our share of these migrants. The end result will be lower standards in Education, a declining NHS which will eventually go belly up and there will be no way back!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;There are already shortages in housing, cut backs on benefits for disabled, room taxes on elderly tennants in council houses and in general an infrastructure in this country that is under extreme pressure. There are so many different nationalities all queueing up to come to the UK - and mostly they are health tourists and here for the benefits. Yes some are fleeing conflicts, but why choose the UK? Simply because there are better benefits! That is why the Polish Government are objecting to David Cameron suggesting we pay a reduced rate of benefit in line with what is paid in Poland.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Finally security wise - we're better of closing the borders now before Paris comes to London.. or Manchester or wherever....&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;As for myself I could lose out from Uk leaving the EU because I have my house in France, but I think the NHS is more valuable to me, to you and our children!&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT size="3"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;VOTE OUT - or you'll regret it!&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:19:41 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>goldenwonders</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2016-02-22T16:19:41Z</dc:date>
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      <title>OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4685884#M177516</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color="#0000FF" face="book antiqua,palatino" size="3"&gt;How about an RT poll?&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color="#0000FF" face="book antiqua,palatino" size="3"&gt;No reasons, no argument, no debate just a straightforward IN or OUT.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color="#0000FF" face="book antiqua,palatino" size="3"&gt;Me?&lt;FONT color="#FF0000"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt; OUT&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 12:36:37 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>cee-dee</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T12:36:37Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4685901#M177517</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;OUT&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 12:43:13 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>jd.linklater</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T12:43:13Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4685913#M177519</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face="helvetica" color="#339966"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;FONT size="5"&gt;IN.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 12:48:08 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>fallen-archie</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T12:48:08Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4685914#M177520</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT size="6" color="#FF00FF"&gt;Out&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 12:48:56 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>aandreab1234</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T12:48:56Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4685965#M177524</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Shake it all about&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 13:13:43 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>suzieseaside</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T13:13:43Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4685974#M177525</link>
      <description>Out</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 13:15:38 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>******lynda******</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T13:15:38Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4685975#M177526</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;...and do the Hokey Cokey&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 13:15:57 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>aandreab1234</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T13:15:57Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686041#M177533</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face="arial black,avant garde" size="3" color="#FF0000"&gt;OUT&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 13:38:49 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>dark_castle1</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T13:38:49Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686237#M177547</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;IN&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 14:57:44 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686237#M177547</guid>
      <dc:creator>lhasa.two</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T14:57:44Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686252#M177549</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Out!&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 15:05:15 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>astrologica</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T15:05:15Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686331#M177558</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;OUT !!&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 15:38:53 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>evoman3957</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T15:38:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686450#M177571</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG alt="Photobucket" src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v115/bearsrme/wollyhattime.gif" border="0" /&gt;&lt;EM&gt;&lt;FONT color="#0000ff" face="comic sans ms,sans-serif" size="3"&gt;Out&amp;nbsp; &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:30:30 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>right-then-petal</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T16:30:30Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686453#M177572</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Fence&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:30:56 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686453#M177572</guid>
      <dc:creator>upthecreekyetagain</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T16:30:56Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686467#M177574</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color="#0000FF" face="book antiqua,palatino" size="3"&gt;As people posted, I've been guessing who'd say in or out before I looked and I've not been wrong yet...... Until..... I had you down as IN.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:37:02 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>cee-dee</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T16:37:02Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686589#M177581</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;The poll as it stands so far is&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Out = 8&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In = 2&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Abstentions = 1&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Spoiled Votes = 2&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So far it is going against what the paper polls have said.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 17:35:12 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>dark_castle1</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T17:35:12Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686671#M177587</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Abstaining for now, I won't make my mind up until I have read enough about the possible or likely consequences of being in the EU or not.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 18:17:56 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>suzieseaside</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T18:17:56Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686812#M177593</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I guess plenty of people think a better job can be done, by people other than our current politicians; but at least they are British.&amp;nbsp; Lord knows, at times one wonders if we have anything in common with our fellow countrymen ( we always seem to be split down the middle, 50% wanting one thing &amp;amp; 50% the other )..........but at least we come from the same land, have the same history and have ancestors; that died for the same values.&amp;nbsp; If you want our laws and values made and controlled by a German, Frenchman, Romanian, Hungarian, Poll, Czeck, etc etc.........then vote to stay in the EU.&amp;nbsp; But remember if, in years to come, you don't recognize the country you live in anymore.......don't be surprised.&amp;nbsp; I don't know if this info. is any good, but the more the better before we make this crucial decision.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-law-what-proportion-influenced-eu/" target="_blank"&gt;https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-law-what-proportion-influenced-eu/&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 19:15:14 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>evoman3957</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T19:15:14Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4686987#M177598</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I don't think a poll of RT posters will reflect anything like the national polls are suggesting. Some of us may not even be around by the time a referendum is held. The fact that CD has been able to predict the majority of our answers correctly is not simply a testimony to his intuition but also more obvious given the nature of discussions on here and the snuffing out of opposing views.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;From what I can gather most see the EEC as being responsible for all that is wrong in our country today from the level of immigration to the excessive spending by the bureaucratic machine spawned. You seldom hear much positive feedback as those with vested interests, especially the media, continue to churn out all the negatives they can find.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am ambivalent toward the outcome and can see both points of view, My only hope is that people really think carefully about the future and the direction the world is moving. We are still independent nations who have chosen to develop closer cooperation. As a result there are many petty arguments, each nation jockeying for whatever advantage it can gain. Never really been any different, Still if and when we do seek to leave we can always return to fighting them on the beaches.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 20:32:16 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>fallen-archie</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T20:32:16Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4687018#M177601</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I have to say that, even on a wider front, the United Nations must be one of the most&amp;nbsp;dysfunctional organizations ever created. It must just be an organization thing, the bigger they are.......the more useless they are.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 20:43:06 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>evoman3957</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T20:43:06Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: OK, in or out?</title>
      <link>https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/m-p/4687085#M177607</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Need to look at the stats more, but in the eu only Germany and France seem to be of any significance, compared to the rag tag hangers on. They need our trade more than we need theirs as far as exports go. The last week has shown what a painful process the EU has become as&amp;nbsp;bureaucratic and wasteful as anything i can remember.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I say OUT&amp;nbsp;&lt;FONT size="1 2 3 4 5 6 7"&gt;&amp;nbsp;except that small coward in me may change their mind at the last mo&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:04:44 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>start-the-fire</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-02-20T21:04:44Z</dc:date>
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