topic Re: Bent in The Round Table

Bent

sir_arthur_strebe-grebling — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:11:37 GMT

Over 1300 Police, prison and court personnel have been charged or convicted of an offence in the last five years.

That's about one-in-a-hundred of them, ten times the rate of an average member of the public.

http://info.fmotl.com/PoliceListV24.pdf

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electric*mayhem*band — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:54:18 GMT

@sir_arthur_strebe-grebling wrote:
Over 1300 Police, prison and court personnel have been charged or convicted of an offence in the last five years.

That's about one-in-a-hundred of them, ten times the rate of an average member of the public.

http://info.fmotl.com/PoliceListV24.pdf

But the rate of charges/convictions of an average member of the public in Liverpool, suddenly jumps from this figure to ninety-five-in-a-hundred. Thought I'd say that before you did.

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evoman3957 — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:11:08 GMT

There's some saying ( I can't remember the exact words ), but it goes something like; "if you want to test a Mans ( Woman's ) true character, put them in a position of Power / Influence"............unfortunately many don't come out smelling of Roses........you're just quoting the ones who got caught, there's plenty more where they came from..............who didn't.

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upthecreekyetagain — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 23:13:37 GMT

@sir_arthur_strebe-grebling wrote:
Over 1300 Police, prison and court personnel have been charged or convicted of an offence in the last five years.

That's about one-in-a-hundred of them, ten times the rate of an average member of the public.

http://info.fmotl.com/PoliceListV24.pdf

In 2013 1.82 million people were charged with an offence in England and Wales.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/231011/criminal-justice-stats-march-2013.pdf

The total population of England and Wales in 2013 was 56.6 million and of course that includes those under the age of criminal liability and the very old.

Even including both those groups that works out at 1 in 31 charged with an offence. 3 times the rate of those employed by the police forces of England and Wales.

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sir_arthur_strebe-grebling — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 00:02:24 GMT

Thanks for the correction and apologies for my sloppy quotation from the original source. The figures in the OP refer to police and prison staff charged with indictable offences, usually punished by imprisonment. There are about 90,000 of these a year, only about 1-in-20 of the total of 1.82 million chargeable offences, amounting to, say, about 1-in-400 of the working age population, far fewer than amongst our bent police.

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suzieseaside — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 00:07:34 GMT

@upthecreekyetagain wrote:
@sir_arthur_strebe-grebling wrote:
Over 1300 Police, prison and court personnel have been charged or convicted of an offence in the last five years.

That's about one-in-a-hundred of them, ten times the rate of an average member of the public.

http://info.fmotl.com/PoliceListV24.pdf
In 2013 1.82 million people were charged with an offence in England and Wales.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/231011/criminal-justice-stats-march-2013.pdf

The total population of England and Wales in 2013 was 56.6 million and of course that includes those under the age of criminal liability and the very old.

Even including both those groups that works out at 1 in 31 charged with an offence. 3 times the rate of those employed by the police forces of England and Wales.

Yikes, and if we take out about 10 million for under 16s and say 5million for the 'too old to be bad' group, that works out at about 1 in 23 charged with an offence.

Go on - 'Fess up - who on here has been in the dock?

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upthecreekyetagain — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 01:31:23 GMT

@sir_arthur_strebe-grebling wrote:
Thanks for the correction and apologies for my sloppy quotation from the original source. The figures in the OP refer to police and prison staff charged with indictable offences, usually punished by imprisonment. There are about 90,000 of these a year, only about 1-in-20 of the total of 1.82 million chargeable offences, amounting to, say, about 1-in-400 of the working age population, far fewer than amongst our bent police.

Not sure you are correct that the list you linked to only includes those charged with offences usually punished by imprisonment as it includes offences such as drink driving, not driving in accordance with a licence, common assault and internal disciplinary offences such as gross misconduct.

In any case the figures cover 4 years so even if we take your figure of 1 in 400 of the general population in 1 year that comes back to 1 in 100 over 4 years.

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sir_arthur_strebe-grebling — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 17:27:21 GMT

OK, here's an idea. Let's come up with a new headline

Police are only slightly more crooked than the rest of the population

I'm sure that makes us all feel a lot better.

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evoman3957 — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 18:35:36 GMT

I think it dawned on some of us, a while back, that the Pillars of our society; wouldn't pass the entrance exam to get into the Salvation Army.

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saasher2012 — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 19:32:50 GMT

A fine example of do as I say not as I do, & they wonder why we don't trust them!

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upthecreekyetagain — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 21:29:38 GMT

@sir_arthur_strebe-grebling wrote:
OK, here's an idea. Let's come up with a new headline

Police are only slightly more crooked than the rest of the population

I'm sure that makes us all feel a lot better.

A better and more accurate headline would be

Police are less crooked than the rest of the population!

All the statistics support that headline - not your's