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Cliff Richard.

tommy.irene — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 19:00:40 GMT

I read it was about something that happened at a Christian Rally with a boy..

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tommy.irene — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 19:05:18 GMT

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joe_bloggs* — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:52:13 GMT

I was thinking they must have had a search warrant to enter his property,what grounds did they give to the magistrate to obtain that warrant considering this alleged offence took place so long ago,what I wonder were they hoping to find?
It appears not just this case but in many others magistrates appear to grant search warrants very easily to whoever requests one.
A good friend of mine had two police officers and two tv licence officers push their way into his house when he answered very loud knocking on his door,they showed him a search warrant! Signed by a magistrate,he asked on what grounds the warrant was issued,he was told he would have to take that up with the courts! He went to court on being summonsed by tv licensing,(I went with him for support) to cut the story short,tv licensing dropped the charges.To my mind and his tv licensing must have lied to obtain a search warrant in the first place

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evoman3957 — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:03:42 GMT

If the State says you're going down, then you're going down...........your life is a bit like a Car that you're buying on HP, stop making the payments and see how long you keep it. That's as close to freedom as anybody is going to get, even in this wonderful Country of ours. It's the same the whole World over, with some places being better than others..................the answer is to stay under the Radar.

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upthecreekyetagain — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:10:04 GMT

@joe_bloggs* wrote:
I was thinking they must have had a search warrant to enter his property,what grounds did they give to the magistrate to obtain that warrant considering this alleged offence took place so long ago,what I wonder were they hoping to find?

Possibly diaries, memoirs etc.

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tommy.irene — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 10:05:57 GMT

Tennis fan Sir Cliff Richard 'to miss annual trip to US Open as he returns to Britain' to face underage sex assault quiz by police Singer could be barred from travelling to New York by US border officials The 73-year-old visits the city for the tournament every year US Embassy look at visa applications on a 'case-by-case' basis Faces allegation relating to an underage boy in the 1980s, police say Alleged abuse is claimed to have taken place at a Sheffield stadium in 1985 Pictures show Sir Cliff singing at event - but he furiously denies 'false' attack Police officers have searched his £3.1m home in Sunningdale, Berkshire Singer at his holiday home in Portugal's Algarve region but will return to UK Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2725752/Sir-Cliff-Richard-pictured-performing-stadium-rally-alleged-sexually-abused-underage-boy-fans-urge-stay-strong.html#ixzz3AY2oh8Um

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rose2008-2008 — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:03:32 GMT

No more worries for a week or two!,fun and laughter?. I always imagined Cliff Richard would be a good priest,,maybe not me thinks. We"ve seen it in the movies!, now lets see if its true?????.

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sir_arthur_strebe-grebling — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:09:17 GMT

Police investigating a child sex assault allegation made against Sir Cliff Richard have said “a number of people” have come forward with information claims for com-pen-say-shun as a result of publicity surrounding a search of his home.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11037386/More-people-contact-police-after-Sir-Cliff-Richards-home-searched.html

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ronnybabes — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 15:12:12 GMT

Succinctly put, Sir Arthur.

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joe_bloggs* — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 15:33:38 GMT

Interesting article in the Independant from Geoffrey Robertson QC concerning search warrants and civil liberties,

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-way-the-police-have-treated-cliff-richard-is-completely-unacceptable-9672367.html

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bankhaunter — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 16:13:25 GMT

It is interesting to to see that some who, quite rightly, criticise others for assuming guilt at the first sign of a police investigation, are happy to assume that anyone coming forward is only doing so in order to claim compensation before there is any evidence whatsoever that demonstrates that is their intention.

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sir_arthur_strebe-grebling — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 17:03:00 GMT

@bankhaunter wrote:
It is interesting to to see that some who, quite rightly, criticise others for assuming guilt at the first sign of a police investigation, are happy to assume that anyone coming forward is only doing so in order to claim compensation before there is any evidence whatsoever that demonstrates that is their intention.

Fair point in principle, but why else would a number of other people come forward saying "oh yes, I've just remembered, he touched me thirty-five years ago as well"? And why does it only seem to happen when the alleged offender is rich?

This comment is not just about the latest case.

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electric*mayhem*band — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 17:14:28 GMT

I was walking down Cheshunt High Street...must have been some thirty-odd years ago - and Cliff Richard bumped into me. Have I a claim do you think ?

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upthecreekyetagain — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 17:33:53 GMT

@sir_arthur_strebe-grebling wrote:
@bankhaunter wrote:
It is interesting to to see that some who, quite rightly, criticise others for assuming guilt at the first sign of a police investigation, are happy to assume that anyone coming forward is only doing so in order to claim compensation before there is any evidence whatsoever that demonstrates that is their intention.
Fair point in principle, but why else would a number of other people come forward saying "oh yes, I've just remembered, he touched me thirty-five years ago as well"? And why does it only seem to happen when the alleged offender is rich?

This comment is not just about the latest case.

Not always the case though - publicity over historical cases involving teachers, clergy and sport coaches have brought forward 'new' complainants.

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i-am-legion-too — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 17:39:08 GMT

@sir_arthur_strebe-grebling wrote:
@bankhaunter wrote:
It is interesting to to see that some who, quite rightly, criticise others for assuming guilt at the first sign of a police investigation, are happy to assume that anyone coming forward is only doing so in order to claim compensation before there is any evidence whatsoever that demonstrates that is their intention.
Fair point in principle, but why else would a number of other people come forward saying "oh yes, I've just remembered, he touched me thirty-five years ago as well"? And why does it only seem to happen when the alleged offender is rich?

This comment is not just about the latest case.

I would agree that the police handling of the search, and subsequent media circus, has been highly questionable.

That said, to say all accusers in cases of historical abuse are compensation seekers who target the rich, is clearly not true.

One of many current examples is Chris Denning,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2716571/Former-Radio-1-DJ-Chris-Denning-admits-29-sex-offences-against-boys-young-nine-1967-1984.html

fairly high profile to those of a certain age, but as he lived in a council house in Basildon, unlikely that he is worth a vast fortune.

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ronnybabes — Sun, 17 Aug 2014 00:03:35 GMT

@i-am-legion-too wrote:
@sir_arthur_strebe-grebling wrote:
@bankhaunter wrote:
It is interesting to to see that some who, quite rightly, criticise others for assuming guilt at the first sign of a police investigation, are happy to assume that anyone coming forward is only doing so in order to claim compensation before there is any evidence whatsoever that demonstrates that is their intention.
Fair point in principle, but why else would a number of other people come forward saying "oh yes, I've just remembered, he touched me thirty-five years ago as well"? And why does it only seem to happen when the alleged offender is rich?

This comment is not just about the latest case.
I would agree that the police handling of the search, and subsequent media circus, has been highly questionable.

That said, to say all accusers in cases of historical abuse are compensation seekers who target the rich, is clearly not true.
One of many current examples is Chris Denning,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2716571/Former-Radio-1-DJ-Chris-Denning-admits-29-sex-offences-against-boys-young-nine-1967-1984.html
fairly high profile to those of a certain age, but as he lived in a council house in Basildon, unlikely that he is worth a vast fortune.

#3 Computers.

Ah... but celebrity usually means money.

In this instance, it may not be the case However even I did not know that, so I assume others did not too.

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tommy.irene — Sun, 17 Aug 2014 08:41:09 GMT

BBC in crisis over Cliff Richard raid: Corporation accused of blackmail after police say they were FORCED to let TV screen live the dramatic swoop on star's house...

BBC in crisis over Cliff raid: Police fury at TV chiefs who screened dramatic swoop BBC showed footage of police officers raiding Cliff Richard's home South Yorkshire Police have sent letter of complaint to Director-General Sir Cliff has already voiced anger that BBC knew of raid before he did The BBC was plunged into a new crisis last night after it was publicly blasted by police over its role in the shock Sir Cliff Richard sex abuse investigation. In an extraordinary attack on the broadcaster’s standards, furious South Yorkshire Police accused the Corporation of breaking its own guidelines. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726859/BBC-crisis-Cliff-raid-Police-fury-TV-chiefs-screened-dramatic-swoop.html#ixzz3AdXmmsZq

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bankhaunter — Sun, 17 Aug 2014 09:26:57 GMT

And why does it only seem to happen when the alleged offender is rich?

On what grounds would you make that assumption?

Changing the word 'rich' to 'well known' and it becomes apparent, you don't hear what happens where the suspected person is not newsworthy, you don't know how many people have come forward.

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al**bear — Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:20:41 GMT

So Beeb slammed for silence over abuse

now slammed for showing raid on alleged abuser

they can't win

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cee-dee — Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:32:57 GMT

I think it shows questionable judgement and all things considered that the BBC is brimming with questionable people.