https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3284681#M128500 <P><STRONG>Jehovah, the ultimate Parent, has the power to restore what his earthly children may view as hopelessly lost.</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>A parent who sent bears to rip apart children for simply making fun of an old man's bald head?</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>A parent who stood by while another parent sacrificed his daughter in his name possibly because he seems to be very fond of the smell of burning flesh?</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>A parent who ordered the slaughter of children on more than one occasion including babies in the womb?</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>A parent that deliberately engineered the deaths of the first born of Egypt?</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>A parent like that we can well do without.</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>If you count them God has either condoned or killed himself 2,821,364 men, women and children, that doesn't include those killed by the flood and many others for which actual numbers are not given.</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>The Old Testament is a book of myths and tales with a common theme, put simply it's obey God or else.</STRONG></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>I don’t recognise a couple of your examples there, but you clearly are quite familiar with the scriptures in some shape or form so I will say you do seem to quote in parts rather than the whole of a chosen example which obviously will have the negative impact you desire to shock and discredit.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>There are no accounts in the bible of any unjust punishments or destructions, on each account of any you will read of, the reasons behind God taking such drastic action and in each case the people involved, had plenty of warnings and knowledge of good or bad conduct, those people had always made the choice to oppose Jehovah., as with the flood.</P><P>Noah was instructed to make an ark for the survival of any who wanted to choose a righteous path. It took Noah many years to build that ark and during those many years he had a comission to warn people and give them the chance to learn about God and his purpose and why the flood was coming. That flood was coming because God was actually feeling regret that he ever created mankind because they had turned out to be wicked, Jehovah decided he had to cleanse the earth of the wicked so that the righteous would not suffer.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Don’t you as a parent make your home for you and your offspring and with the authority to do so set out bounderies for your offspring to live by, so you can all live in peace and harming, you expect those bounderies to be followed I am am sure that should those bounderies be overstepped then there will be penalties of one kind or another.</P><P>Don’t you expect mankind to live by the laws of the land and if such laws are broken you certainly don’t expect those transgressions to go unpunished, mainly because the ones commiting those offences knew what was law and what wasn’t, so wilfully breaking those laws.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>The theme of the whole Bible is a teaching of who God is, his purposes, how those purposes were selfishly disrupted by mans failure to accept and appreciated God’s sovereignty and authority and Jehovah’s course of restoration back to his original purpose.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><STRONG>In the greatest of all demonstrations of his power, he resurrected his Son, Jesus, as a mighty spirit creature, making him second only to Jehovah</STRONG></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><STRONG>Ah yes, to forgive us for the original sin he himself created, he found it necessary to send himself down to earth, get himself killed then resurrect himself, wouldn't it have been simpler to just say "I forgive you"?</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>The resurrected Jesus appeared to hundreds of eyewitnesses. (1 Corinthians 15:5, 6) Even for skeptics, such evidence should be ample. Jehovah has the power to restore life.</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>But none of them thought to write about it or tell anyone who may have written about it themselves and heresay written down later by a non contemporary is not evidence.</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>In fact there is very little evidence to show a Jesus even existed and none whatsoever to show if he existed he was the son of God and performed miracles, no contemporary accounts outside the Bible mention him at all.</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>Nothing in the Bible is evidence for anything.</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>Not only does Jehovah have the power to restore the dead but he also has the desire to do so.</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>Just hasn't bothered for at least the past 2,000 years.</STRONG></P><P>　</P><P>He did not create the sin himself he lovingly created perfect man with the freedom of choice. And as he and his son are two separate beings, then your reasoning of him sending himself down to earth is a bit of a misundestanding. Forgiveness couldn’t just be said because there were far greater issues involved than just forgiveness of the first disobedient act of eating the fruit. Satan had challenged God’s authority and sovereignty with several different claims and so God had to set in place a time span to allow those challenges to be answered, hence over 2,000 years later we are just coming to the conclusion and completion of those very issues.</P><P>　</P><P><STRONG>After Armageddon, the survivors will see miraculous healings on a global scale</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>Ah yes, the good old Armageddon, sign of the death cult I mentioned earlier, do we have a new date to join the other failures of prophecy?</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>I became an atheist because nothing about religion made sense, every time I explored an avenue which seemed to go somewhere, I was brought up short by a massive contradiction or became stuck in the bog of 'why on earth?' so I am not going to waste my life running around after a non existent sky daddy.</STRONG></P><P>　</P><P>Armageddon is a very real promise, I can understand why you say “death cult” but again if you learn from the Bible the reasons behind such a drastic destruction then you will see that is for the benefit all righteous mankind. It is doing away with everything wicked so that mankind can live in peace and security as Jehovah originally purposed. Jehovah is not stepping in when we have no warning he has given mankind 2,000 years warning and a chance to be part of the life after it.&nbsp;</P><P>There has never been any failed prophesies, (I do think I know what you are talking about here) what has happened is some humans have misunderstood the scriputres a little and put their own interpretations on some points and when those points haven’t actually turned out how they expected allowed themselves to be stumbled, instead of accepting they had made mistakes and humbly accepted correction they removed themselves from God direction.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><STRONG>Tommy.Irene wrote</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>I know a girl whos husband left the JW.. now she cant keep the sex mad elders away from her door..</STRONG></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>I am not in the least surprised that that kind of comment came from you tommy and it certainly isn’t worthy of any reply………<EM><STRONG>Galations 6:7 “Do not be misled. God is not one to be mocked, for whatever a man is sowing this he will also reap</STRONG></EM>”</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><STRONG>evoman3957 wrote:</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>Yes, that's us..........on that little insignificant ball; floating in an eternity of airless space. A tiny liferaft in the middle of an infinite ocean, where all history that ever was and all future that there ever will be........has and will happen. Now wouldn't you have thought that some almighty power, to whom, nothing is impossible; would have created something on a slightly grander scale and slightly less fragile.</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>　</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>One of the things which helped convince me was a certain lack of logic in the taking of three days to create the Earth and just one day to create the overwhelming vastness of the Universe.</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>If we take the fact that creating night and day took one day, how long would it take to do the same for the many billions of other planets we estimate to exist?</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>No contradiction of course if the writer of Genesis had absolutely no understanding of what those lights were that they could see at night.</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>I don't think those who believe the creation story are able to truly visualise the size of the universe or have ever studied it even to a small degree.</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>As for wars etc. man is part of nature and everything in nature is in conflict with their neighbours for their survival, apart from those organisms which have evolved to share resouces each utilising one that the other doesn't.</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>You could in a way blame science for overcoming many of man's natural restrictions, disease, accidents food supply etc and due to the increase in population both the liklihood and results of conflict over tribal and territorial conflicts being much greater than they once were.</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>It has been said of both Islam and Christianity that they must be right because of the numbers that practice those religions but there is nothing like using a sword held at the throat as a means of conversion and why is it that those who wish to leave are threatened with dire punishment, one to be killed and the other to burn in hell for all eternity?</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>Are not the beliefs good enough to stand on their own merits?</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>Is it not odd that we are often told we should be careful in what we say about a religion in case we offend someone's deeply held beliefs and yet anyone can thunder out that unbelievers have no morals and deserve to burn in hell for ever.</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>Presumably those who don't believe are not capable of feeling insulted</STRONG>.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Yes our planet is a very insignificant dot in the vast universe and in the stream of things but not so insignificant that Jehovah doesn’t care about us.</P><P>God tells us in the bible about all kinds of things about the universe, that he made it, that it was made millions and millions of years before out planet. He gives us information about specifics subjects and objects to give us an insight into the vastness of the universe so we can begin to understand where we stand in the great stream of things.</P><P>As for wars, diseases, natural disastors and the like, these are not just put down to nature</P><P>They are as a result of being so far removed from Jehovah and his protection. Science has not done such a good job at eradicated disease, many are again on the increase.</P><P>This planet of ours has an eco system built into it that can if allowed to function correctly sustain life for ever, can produce enough food for every single person. It is mankind’s mismanagement that is destroying the planet and it’s ability to sustain life, that is why Jehovah states in his word the Bible “I will bring to ruin those ruining the earth”</P><P>They are described in the bible as “critical times hard to deal with” all these things, even the conflicts between different religions are signs of the times we are living in, signs of the forthcoming judgement “Armagedon</P><P>　</P><P>Do conflicts actually exist in greater numbers now than in the past?</P><P>Yes, you only have to look at the 2 world wars. Previous to those there has never been war on such a great scale, since those 2 wars there are more parts of the world at war now than there ever has been since the world began.</P> Sun, 15 Jun 2014 19:57:55 GMT **bustysinclaire** 2014-06-15T19:57:55Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3264919#M128075 <P>I'm not here to trample all over people's faith/beliefs but to ask if/why such beliefs should hold such high value in our society?</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>So where am I comming from? Well we can freely question almost anything in our society/lives; morals, political beliefs, actions and reactions, motivations, interactions, foreign policy, education, welfare, how we raise our children, law and order and so on..........</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>However we are positively discouraged from questioning people's faith/beliefs/religion! We are also actively encouraged to accommodate and allow for people's religious beliefs, and this is the bit that really irks me! Why is it that if something is done in the name of a religious belief/practice then we are expected to accept it with little fuss where if any other excuse were used we'd be up in arms?</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>We endure arguments of whether animal rights should take precedence over religion, whether saving the life of a child should take precedence over their parent's beliefs, should freedom of expression take precedence over religious sensitivities?</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>For me you may as well base stuff on the football team you support;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>"I can't comply with the company dress code because I'm a United fan and therefore I must be allowed to wear a United shirt at work."</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>As far as I'm concerned this is no more ridiculous than anything done/not done in the name of religious beliefs!</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>So why do religious beliefs hold such high status and is it right that they do?</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P> Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:24:10 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3264919#M128075 lambsy_uk 2014-06-11T09:24:10Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3264985#M128076 <P><FONT face="book antiqua,palatino" color="#0000FF" size="3">No it's not right. As to why they hold such "high value" in our society it's because <STRONG>we</STRONG> are tolerant, quite the opposite to most religions!</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT face="book antiqua,palatino" color="#0000FF" size="3">If some group believed the Moon is made of Green Cheese, would it be right that they stone to death anyone who questioned their belief?</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT face="book antiqua,palatino" color="#0000FF" size="3">A ridiculous comparison? No, it's not. I say if the Paradise some groups believe in is so wonderful, why don't they all clear off there now and leave the rest of us alone?</FONT></P> Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:39:41 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3264985#M128076 cee-dee 2014-06-11T09:39:41Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3265161#M128083 <P><SPAN>"No it's not right. As to why they hold such "high value" in our society it's because&nbsp;</SPAN><STRONG>we</STRONG><SPAN>&nbsp;are tolerant, quite the opposite to most religions!"</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>But this is not a question of our tolerence of different religions versus the tolerence those of certain beliefs show to us/others. The question is whether any religion should be tolerated to the extent it is?</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>I believe we should tolerate religious beliefs but no more than we tolerate people supporting different football teams! People can go worship what they want but as soon as they expect others to bend to their whims I believe they should expect those whims to be quashed!</SPAN></P> Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:20:39 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3265161#M128083 lambsy_uk 2014-06-11T10:20:39Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3265355#M128088 Unfortunately if you try &amp; debate on this subject you get accused of bullying or being flippant ! Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:57:36 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3265355#M128088 saasher2012 2014-06-11T10:57:36Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3265571#M128089 <P>It doesn't matter what a person's personal beliefs ot how whacky they may be as long as they keep those beliefs to themselves and don't try to mess up the lives of others.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>A classic example was the attempted stopping of a Sunday ferry service between Lewis and Stornaway on the grounds of it being the Sabbath.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>And of course they don't try to teach children ignorance and how to have a closed mind.</P> Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:47:41 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3265571#M128089 bankhaunter 2014-06-11T11:47:41Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3265599#M128090 <P>Ohhhhh,, mmm i was going to say i think this thread could be a bit risky and cause confrontation, eeek.<img id="womanindifferent" class="emoticon emoticon-womanindifferent" src="https://community.ebay.co.uk/i/smilies/16x16_woman-indifferent.png" alt="Woman Indifferent" title="Woman Indifferent" /></P> Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:54:55 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3265599#M128090 rose2008-2008 2014-06-11T11:54:55Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3265607#M128092 <P>Religion is control, it makes you do what is deemed to be right; for fear of going to hell. It makes you ahere to an ethos laid down by others for the same reason. It can make you kill your fellow human beings, because some religions can be twisted to justify doing just that. Finally, to show its total idiocy, two sides will go to war..........shouting praise to the same God...........ridiculous !!</P><P>Give me a human being who does the right thing, because THEY believe it to be right; NOT because some religion, or even a law, has told them it is right.</P> Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:56:55 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3265607#M128092 evoman3957 2014-06-11T11:56:55Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3265771#M128094 <P>"<SPAN>Give me a human being who does the right thing, because THEY believe it to be right; NOT because some religion, or even a law, has told them it is right."</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>Amen to that!</SPAN></P><P>&nbsp;</P> Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:24:39 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3265771#M128094 lambsy_uk 2014-06-11T12:24:39Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3265953#M128097 <P><STRONG>Give me a human being who does the right thing, because THEY believe it to be right; NOT because some religion, or even a law, has told them it is right.</STRONG></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>I suspect that the majority of those who practice a religion do just that and in order to do so either don't know about or deliberately ignore the somewhat more dubious morallity their religion actually preaches.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Religions can be a force for good, the Quakers for example did well in business because although they could be tough negociators they were very trustworthy, their word really was their bond, they probably didn't need a god to behave like that though but it would remind them of their purpose.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Nothing more annoys me than to be told that without the Bible no one can have any morals, as though the Ten Commandments weren't a bit late on the moral laws stage, there being others long before them.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>I don't think a person should be respected for no better reason than they hold a position in a church, they are no different than anyone else.</P> Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:04:58 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3265953#M128097 bankhaunter 2014-06-11T13:04:58Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3265985#M128098 <P>"<SPAN>Nothing more annoys me than to be told that without the Bible no one can have any morals, as though the Ten Commandments weren't a bit late on the moral laws stage, there being others long before them."</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>And Amen to that too!</SPAN></P> Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:10:16 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3265985#M128098 lambsy_uk 2014-06-11T13:10:16Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266047#M128099 <P><FONT face="book antiqua,palatino" color="#0000FF" size="3">Well now, there were supposed to be 613 (although even that is open to argument).</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT face="book antiqua,palatino" color="#0000FF" size="3">The 10 Commandments were the result of a bit of pruning, much as all the Holy books have?</FONT></P> Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:27:41 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266047#M128099 cee-dee 2014-06-11T13:27:41Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266061#M128101 Several of these so called commandments have now been broken by the so called leaders in the Church hierarchy , so as to accommodate themselves &amp; the changing society !. Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:31:11 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266061#M128101 saasher2012 2014-06-11T13:31:11Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266137#M128103 <P><FONT face="book antiqua,palatino" color="#0000FF" size="3">The people who firmly "believe" won't enter in to any rational discussion on the subject and in some countries any attempt to do so might prove fatal?</FONT></P> Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:41:21 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266137#M128103 cee-dee 2014-06-11T13:41:21Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266219#M128107 Is that I wonder because they are so sure of their faith or because they are frightened it may be proved to be false<BR />If you try to ask pertinent questions you always seem to get fobbed off or as I stated before you are accused of bullying ?<BR />In a lot of countries you are not allowed the freedom to ask questions , I'm afraid ours is fast becoming the same!. Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:55:55 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266219#M128107 saasher2012 2014-06-11T13:55:55Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266251#M128109 <P><FONT face="comic sans ms,sans-serif" color="#00FF00" size="4">I did believe in God when i was younger,, really because i thought i had too coming from a Bible bashing family!!. But as i have got older and more cynical i dont believe in God but i think there has got to be something at work,,,deciding things and our fates and terrible things that go on in the world. And good things too i suppose.<img id="womanindifferent" class="emoticon emoticon-womanindifferent" src="https://community.ebay.co.uk/i/smilies/16x16_woman-indifferent.png" alt="Woman Indifferent" title="Woman Indifferent" /></FONT></P> Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:02:42 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266251#M128109 rose2008-2008 2014-06-11T14:02:42Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266293#M128112 Hmmmm, the Rev. Paul Flowers comes to mind.....he held a prominent position in the Methodist Church! And almost brought down a big Bank! Drug taking, rent boys.......what a hypocrite! Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:12:31 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266293#M128112 astrologica 2014-06-11T14:12:31Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266325#M128113 I really like Lambsy's point about being a United fan! That's a good post Lambsy's...and food for thought. Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:16:32 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266325#M128113 astrologica 2014-06-11T14:16:32Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266343#M128114 <P>"<SPAN>The people who firmly "believe" won't enter in to any rational discussion on the subject and in some countries any attempt to do so might prove fatal?"</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>But I don't wish to deter them from their beliefs, I just want a reason why their beliefs or practices should take prcedence over all else!</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>I don't want to say "you believe in what?, you're having a laugh."</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>But I should be able to comfortably say "I'm sorry if our dress code/uniform policy clashes with you religious beliefs/practices but I'm afraid that's just the way it is and you will have to accept it because our policy takes precedence!</SPAN></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Or "I'm sorry our health and safety or working practices clash with your religious practices but health and safety and operational procedure take precedence"!</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Or "I'm sorry if our consideration for Animal Rights clashes with you religious practices but animal welfare takes precedence"!</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Or "I'm sorry if our working/opening hours upset you because they clash with you Sabath but we will not be taking this into consideration when scheduling."</P> Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:20:51 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266343#M128114 lambsy_uk 2014-06-11T14:20:51Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266513#M128115 <P><FONT face="book antiqua,palatino" color="#0000FF" size="3">You won't deter them from their beliefs because they won't even enter in to a rational discussion!</FONT></P> Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:12:17 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266513#M128115 cee-dee 2014-06-11T15:12:17Z https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266557#M128117 <P>"<SPAN>You won't deter them from their beliefs because they won't even enter in to a rational discussion!"</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN></P><P><SPAN>As I said; I don't wish to deter them from their beliefs, just to understand that they do not take precedence over other considerations!</SPAN></P> Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:23:58 GMT https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Should-Faith-Religion-Have-Such-a-High-Value-In-Our-Society/m-p/3266557#M128117 lambsy_uk 2014-06-11T15:23:58Z