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SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

merehazle — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:19:32 GMT

Well any thoughts?

The Malaysian jet vanished eleven days ago. It is starting to get annoying to read these ''developments'' because all that's being released is stupid, nonsensical nonsense that contradicts that other random. half backed theories that were released previously. Instead of trying to figure out what colour socks the pilots(s) had on. Just find the plane with the hundreds of innocent passengers!

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

cee-dee — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:49:35 GMT

I just don't see how such a plane could have evaded the primary radar of any of the countries it would have to pass over (or near) to clear the area of the South China Sea.

OK, so the secondary radar (the transponder) "went off" (or was "switched off") but surely ATC would have noticed an unidentified plane when/if it appeared on their primary radar?

My guess is it's on the sea bed near it's last transponder position.

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

09onlyronnie09 — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:57:44 GMT

so sad for all that was on flight some one some wheres knowe the truth

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

cee-dee — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 11:23:18 GMT

If the plane flew on for any distance, how'd you account for a couple of hundred people with mobile phones and/or computers who could have got a message out?

There's places to "hide" on a 777 so how could you subdue all the passengers all at the same time and commandeer every device to prevent them sending any messages?

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

saasher2012 — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 11:52:33 GMT

I know it's all speculation at the moment but the only conclusion I can think of for instantaneous loss of communication etc is an explosion so great in however form that all means of contact was lost?.

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

rose2008-2008 — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 13:15:45 GMT

Very frightening and Very sad. God Bless their souls

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

upthecreekyetagain — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 14:04:35 GMT

Found this on another site - sounds quite logical:-

chris goodfellow
Shared publicly - Mar 14, 2014

MH370 A different point of view. Pulau Langkawi 13,000 runway.

A lot of speculation about MH370. Terrorism, hijack, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN - almost disturbing. I tend to look for a more simple explanation of this event.

Loaded 777 departs midnight from Kuala to Beijing. Hot night. Heavy aircraft. About an hour out across the gulf towards Vietnam the plane goes dark meaning the transponder goes off and secondary radar tracking goes off.

Two days later we hear of reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar meaning the plane is being tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the straits of Malacca.

When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and I searched for airports in proximity to the track towards southwest.

The left turn is the key here. This was a very experienced senior Captain with 18,000 hours. Maybe some of the younger pilots interviewed on CNN didn't pick up on this left turn. We old pilots were always drilled to always know the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us and airports ahead of us. Always in our head. Always. Because if something happens you don't want to be thinking what are you going to do - you already know what you are going to do. Instinctively when I saw that left turn with a direct heading I knew he was heading for an airport. Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi a 13,000 foot strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000 foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance.

Take a look on Google Earth at this airport. This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport.
For me the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense if a fire. There was most likely a fire or electrical fire. In the case of fire the first response if to pull all the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one.

If they pulled the busses the plane indeed would go silent. It was probably a serious event and they simply were occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, Navigate and lastly communicate. There are two types of fires. Electrical might not be as fast and furious and there might or might not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility given the timeline that perhaps there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires and it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes this happens with underinflated tires. Remember heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. A tire fire once going would produce horrific incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks but this is a no no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter but this will only last for a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one of my own in a flight bag and I still carry one in my briefcase today when I fly).

What I think happened is that they were overcome by smoke and the plane just continued on the heading probably on George (autopilot) until either fuel exhaustion or fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. I said four days ago you will find it along that route - looking elsewhere was pointless.

This pilot, as I say, was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. No doubt in my mind. That's the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijack would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It would probably have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided on where they were taking it.

Surprisingly none of the reporters , officials, other pilots interviewed have looked at this from the pilot's viewpoint. If something went wrong where would he go? Thanks to Google earth I spotted Langkawi in about 30 seconds, zoomed in and saw how long the runway was and I just instinctively knew this pilot knew this airport. He had probably flown there many times. I guess we will eventually find out when you help me spread this theory on the net and some reporters finally take a look on Google earth and put 2 and 2 together. Also a look at the age and number of cycles on those nose tires might give us a good clue too.

Fire in an aircraft demands one thing - you get the machine on the ground as soon as possible. There are two well remembered experiences in my memory. The AirCanada DC9 which landed I believe in Columbus Ohio in the eighties. That pilot delayed descent and bypassed several airports. He didn't instinctively know the closest airports. He got it on the ground eventually but lost 30 odd souls. In the 1998 crash of Swissair DC-10 off Nova Scotia was another example of heroic pilots. They were 15 minutes out of Halifax but the fire simply overcame them and they had to ditch in the ocean. Just ran out of time. That fire incidentally started when the aircraft was about an hour out of Kennedy. Guess what the transponders and communications were shut off as they pulled the busses.

Get on Google Earth and type in Pulau Langkawi and then look at it in relation to the radar track heading. 2+2=4 That for me is the simple explanation why it turned and headed in that direction.

Smart pilot. Just didn't have the time.

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

ilove2patch — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 14:40:31 GMT

That makes very interesting reading.

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

lhasa.two — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:23:49 GMT

Yes it does and particularly the reports say the pilot was very knowledgeable and experienced.

Should creeky's person's take on it be true then there would have been an enormous explosion (fairly full fuel tanks?) and presumably not much debris left to find...

Inmarsat had a tracking of the plane 5/6 hours after it signed off for the night so not having checked Google Earth I'm not sure how far that would have taken the plane.

Whatever has happened, it is a tragedy for so many people and their families.

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

leoleoleo123 — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 18:33:53 GMT

But why havent they looked there then?......

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

dfin1093 — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:11:02 GMT

Remember that you read it here and then later come back and ask me how I knew and also then, what I know about the mccanns.

The pilot in question had watched the former Malaysian PM get locked up for 5 years, incensed, he decided on a drastic course of action having left the court house and having gone straight to his flight.

On switching off the transponder, he climbed above the planes limit to a very dangerous 45,000 feet. He did this to incapacitate everyone on board other than himself as he had a mask on. After long enough to know everyone on board was out of it, he then went back to a normal cruising altitude to not look suspicious.

Maybe, he landed but extrememely unlikely to cross any airspace border unnoticed so perhaps a 1% chance.

99% whatever he did from that point, he either flew till he lost fuel or he dumped the plane down, I believe it will come out the plane dropped 40,000 feet in a matter of a minute or so and that would imply loss of fuel and control.

Pilot did it. Just give it a week and the world will catch up with me. \

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

merehazle — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:35:03 GMT

And YOU dfin1093 Post:1 Registered 18-03-2014 09:11pm bailed out to report on here. Stick around old mate (wink).

Oh, thank you. But I think its best you come back to me.

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

cee-dee — Wed, 19 Mar 2014 10:32:06 GMT

This is one of the more sensible comments:-

http://news.sky.com/story/1228209/missing-plane-mystery-may-never-be-solved

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

merehazle — Wed, 19 Mar 2014 19:06:01 GMT

@cee-dee wrote:
This is one of the more sensible comments:-

http://news.sky.com/story/1228209/missing-plane-mystery-may-never-be-solved

Yes, thank you.

He said: ''Remember that you read it here and then later come back and ask me how I knew and also then, what I know about the maccanns.'' ??? And the rest of the nonsense. And then he disappeared?

A bizarre post. I still cant understand it. It certainly comes over as the lowest form of humour. Hundreds may be dead, and many hundreds are grieving.

He ends saying: ''The world will catch up with me''. Only the world dfin1093? Only the world?

(maccanns, is how he spelt it ) McCann's perhaps? haven't a clue what they have to do with it?

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

cee-dee — Wed, 19 Mar 2014 23:50:03 GMT

Plausible theory gathering pace?:-

http://news.sky.com/story/1228537/missing-plane-could-a-fire-explain-mystery

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

aernethril — Thu, 20 Mar 2014 19:41:03 GMT

There is this article which explains why Goodfellow's theory cannot work.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-26640114

The pilot is/was apparently related to the son-in-law of the jailed former Malaysian PM.

They have ruled out a major explosion because there are various satellites and other monitoring equipment all around the globe that look for large explosions such as this would have been if a bomb had exploded.

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

queenelsa83 — Fri, 21 Mar 2014 14:33:16 GMT

I still believe that this plane was hijacked deep down 😞

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

rose2008-2008 — Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:03:36 GMT

It cannot never be solved. Thats impossible ,,they have to find it somewhere??. A plane can be landed in a lot of places if you have the skill and nerve. They talked of australia or The Maldives.

Those poor people.

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

cee-dee — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 14:36:42 GMT

Now they're saying the plane was "lost" in the Southern Indian Ocean with no survivors.

If that's proved to be true, it's going to be interesting to find out how it got there without either anyone noticing on primary radar or any of the passengers or crew trying to contact the ground?

Re: SO WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO FLIGHT MH370?

spawnjohnuk — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 15:00:27 GMT

If there is no wreckage they can't possibly know there are no survivers,they can assume but not know.