I have a selling account, had it for 20 years, ..eBay now want Photo ID? | Seller Central | eBay UK

I have a selling account, had it for 20 years, ..eBay now want Photo ID? | Seller Central | eBay UK

I have a selling account, had it for 20 years, ..eBay now want Photo ID?

Summary: Participants are discussing concerns about eBay's new requirement for photo ID to sell items. jm30smile expressed frustration over the request for a personal photo, deciding to leave the platform. strangelysane shared a similar experience regarding the demand for sensitive documents and the risk of ID theft, advising against compliance. eh-7531 also voiced concerns about the new policy, noting a lack of applicable ID for submission.

Had an selling account for 20 years (this isnt it) I'm a UK seller, haven't sold a great deal, feedback is still under 1000, last year after about a year of not using the account I started to sell again, not a lot but eBay first treated me like I hadn't been a member for 20 years and insisted on holding some of the sales (low value s/h items) until I confirmed my bank account (which i'd done a couple of years prior). they wanted to send me a certain amount and I was to confirm etc, they also restricted the value of the items I could sell so I had to ask them via live chat to up the limits or a car I was selling would not list etc, in the end after a few sales things seemed to correct themselves and I was paid straight away for items>

Roll on to may 2024, I've sold a few items over the months, in the last 2 weeks i've sold an item at £225 and one at £125, both collection only, both items have had no problems and i have a couple more items listed. Not electrical goods or high value items etc. just normal stuff, some new and unused, most second hand and used etc

So today I logged on, I get a pop up stating they wanted me to ID myself, this would be in the form of a driving licence, passport or govt ID...and oh by the way any transactions are held until I comply?

I don't sell high value / high risk items, I have 100% feedback, I've had zero returns , my bank account is verified, they have my email address (verified with them some time ago, they send me emails re items listed or sold, email has notnot changed) they send me texts to my phone re delivery notices if i've bought something to collect, my physical address has not changed in all the time i've had the selling account.

and now they want the ID from me, no warning, no time schedule to complete but simply comply and until I do any funds are to be held over.

Furthermore, they want the ID but don't actually tell me where it will be stored, who will have access to it and such like all of which seems very wrong.

Anyone else had this?

j-r-hartley

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Posted 2 years ago·Last reply 1 week ago

179 comments

eh-7531

·1 week ago · Edited

I was going to start selling again , but seeing now you have to give all this ID no chance, I don't drive ,I don't go abroad so no passport , I'll not be sending my birth cert just to sell it's all gone pathetic now.

strangelysane

·1 month ago · Edited

My brother had this sprung on him when he tried to sell some very low value secondhand items. The're holding the funds until he uploads, to who knows which third party, a passport copy or driving licence. He's wisely refusing. The ten quid they're trying to ransom him over just isn't worth the risk of a security breach leading to ID theft. It can take years to sort out the consequences of ID theft and you'd get no help from either eBay nor whomever they use to handle the process. Meanwhile you could be stuck with all manner of loans and bills created in your name. It just isn't worth it. I had my ID stolen when my flat was broken into in the late 1980s. I was still getting requests to settle debts well into the mid 1990s.
Fortunately I had a scene of crime number to support my rebuttals. Anyone having their data stolen from a server won't find it so easy. If eBay demand you upload sensitive documents do yourself a favour and refuse. It just isn't worth the risk.

jm30smile

·1 month ago

JUST FOUND OUT THEY WANT A PHOTO OF ME TO SELL SO I AM LEAVING EBAY PERMENENT THIS TIME LEFT BEFORE BECOUSE OF THEM MAKE PROBLEMS BUT ITS WORCE THIS TIME , THEY NOT HAVEING MY PIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

beachhut97

·4 months ago

It seems they don't trust us anymore, even when we've proven ourselves trustworthy over time. This means I cannot trust them with my items any longer and am going elsewhere to sell.

insidethe93

·7 months ago

Yet another reason to put someone off selling here, old or new.

Ordinary people like you and me shouldn't expect much or any protection under GDPR:

1. GDPR allows organisations to keep some or all personal data for a time (a year, several years) even after apparently complying with Josephine Bloggs' deletion request.

2. The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) doesn't normally check up but acts on complaints and breach reports, and mainly looks into large public bodies.

"Controllers" (those who hold another's data) who aren't the certain large public bodies know they're unlikely ever to be checked by the regulator. The bad 'uns can do what they like, if necessary fobbing off with a weaselly unverifiable response to any enquiry such as "what happens to my photo ID if I let you have it?" The ICO doesn't even do random checks like the Public Guardian (on a random 5% each year; at least still did in 2023).

Even when Josephine B. requires her data to be deleted, GDPR allows it to be kept:
- for audits
- against potential legal claims
- if required by a regulator, court or law enforcement
- for contractual or "legitimate interest" reasons (e.g. core fraud-prevention logs, "important" safety records) and can thereby not erase most or all data
- archiving in the "public interest" or for "public research", though expected to use privacy safeguards e.g. pseudonymisation
- to prove they handled your deletion request, when they should keep a "minimal log" (their definition and yours may differ)
- as non-live back-up copies

In all of that, for each and every company holding my data, which are gifts to ID-thieves, who would I trust, really trust? It isn't going to happen of course, but ideally I'd want to know who at any company has access to my data - their names and addresses for a start - they know loads about you but you don't know anything about them.

alipa-6256

·7 months ago

did anyone receive any warning about this? Is it just coincidental that the point I was informed was at the point I had just sold something - and couldn't receive the funds unless I complied?

theelench

·7 months ago

I don't know how many sellers are asked for photo I.D without having an ebay Balance to use as leverage, but there have been plenty of complaints like yours. Where ebay waits until there are funds to put a Hold on and then asks for verification of bank or personal details, for some time this has included giving ebay photo I.D.

Consider yourself lucky that ebay has, at long last, got around to telling you that a birth certificate and utility bill are equally valid.

Ebay cannot hold your money indefinitely but, apart from complying, to get the hold released the only other way I know is to close your account and wait 120(?) days for ebay to ensure that no cases are opened which may require a refund. Ebay should then pay out your funds to your bank.

alipa-6256

·7 months ago

I have been a seller since about 2019. Today, having made a sale I was informed that I must provide photo ID ( or alternatively my birth certificate and utility bill) or basically I would not get my funds. I call that blackmail. No warning, no chance to make an informed decision.

I am not uploading that sort of sensitive personal data so that it can be used, along with my bank details and national insurance number by the next hacker of ebay. (Ebay are not immune from cyber attacks).

I have refunded the buyer and cancelled all of my listings.

Goodbye ebay!

Thanks for totally leaving me in the lurch!

collectorsstandard

·10 months ago

First they wanted your NINO, then they wanted your photo.....next they want your blood and urine samples.

Strange how they don't want all this info from the thousands of chy-na sellers

c_of_e84

·10 months ago

The chinese are party members, you can tell because they have internet access, the state run evening schools on how to sell on ebay and you get social credit for selling.

leighbayuk

·10 months ago

AFAIK, you only have provide it if you want to sell (and be paid) on eBay.

Most data protection stuff is about have policies and procedures in place to hopefully prevent misuse or a breach. However, a lot of it is self-regulated/certified. The contractual part there is to impose penalties if it does go wrong. The hope being that these potentially large fines are enough of a threat to keep companies in line. The UK ICO or EU regulators would take action against the relevant regional office; e.g. €1.2 billion fine of Meta in 2023.

4_bathrooms

·10 months ago

@leighbayuk wrote:
The UK ICO or EU regulators would take action against the relevant regional office; e.g. €1.2 billion fine of Meta in 2023.

Although the regional office is the party being prosecuted it's probably worth pointing out that maximum fines are based on a fixed maximum penalty or the organisation's global annual turnover; whichever is higher. This is why Meta, Facebook et al have been fined so much (but still haven't paid a penny/cent due to appeals being lodged).

leighbayuk

·10 months ago

EEA - European Economic Area

ICO - Information Commissioner's Office

EU Standard Contract Clauses are exactly that. A set of standard contract clauses agreed by the EU and then adopted by the UK GDPR following Brexit.

theelench

·10 months ago

Thanks for that, but which, if any of them are checking what multi-nationals are doing with my data and which ones will get it back and protected again if it is ever hacked?

As the posters in Lidl say "Once it's gone, it's gone"

If we're required by law to give multi-nationals all our personal data for 'security reasons' then those laws should give US a cast-iron guarantee that it WILL be held safely, that UK officials have a world-wide remit to ensure it is safe and the power to act against any company that doesn't adhere to those standards.

I really can't imagine our Data Commissioner going to California and demanding to see what ebay's systems are doing with our data, or even if they have our data and being welcomed with open arms and allowed free access.

So our Govt. complains to Washington. Does anyone believe someone like Trump would be the slightest bit interested let alone helpful when it's US tech. giants that want the data in the first place.

Ebay certainly isn't getting my mug-shot or NINO.

4_bathrooms

·10 months ago

@theelench wrote:

If we're required by law to give multi-nationals all our personal data for 'security reasons' then those laws should give US a cast-iron guarantee that it WILL be held safely, that UK officials have a world-wide remit to ensure it is safe and the power to act against any company that doesn't adhere to those standards.

I'm afraid if you don't want to your personal information being handled or processed by a multinational corporation at any point you're going to have to live off-grid without having so much as a bank account. During the recent Amazon Web Services outage several British banks suffered outages to their online banking services. This shouldn't really have happened as the outage affected AWS servers that are physically located in Northern Virginia meaning any affected services were at least relying on DNS from that cluster. Virtually all businesses with an online presence use cloud computing services to some degree whether they are aware of it or not - the Government has even had a "Cloud First" policy since 2013.

leighbayuk

·10 months ago

The eBay DPO have replied to me. They have confirmed that they have to do the photo ID check now that they are making direct payments to their customers. A change in your personal details will now trigger this check regardless of how long you have been registered. It would be good if the email they send out actually said that rather than talking about increased sales or enrolment in a new service.

In response to my specific data use and protection questions they said:

Your document is used solely for identity verification and compliance.
eBay protects your data through encryption, access controls, and secure storage.
Data may be stored in the EEA, UK, or jurisdictions with adequate safeguards, under Binding Corporate Rules and EU Standard Contractual Clauses or ICO Standard Data Protection Clauses.
eBay does not use ID documents to train AI systems.
We do not make our retention guidelines public, but we can advise that, in line with associated legislation, identification documents are retained for up to 10 years as required by law, then securely deleted.

All reasonable responses, although I did ask if they were using AI to process the IDs. They only responded that AI is not being trained on ID documents.

theelench

·10 months ago

It's point 3 that's the sticking point for me.

"Data may be stored in the EEA, UK, or jurisdictions with adequate safeguards, under Binding Corporate Rules and EU Standard Contractual Clauses or ICO Standard Data Protection Clauses."

What is the EEA?

Who decides if jurisdictions have 'adequate safeguards'?

What are Binding Corporate Rules, Standard Contractual Clauses and Data Protection Clauses?

I've never heard of them.

Who decides if they can be amended or removed?

A hypothetical case:

I give photo I.D to ebay.uk (covered by UK D P Laws). Presumably the USA and ebay.com will have passed the 'adequate safeguards' test.

Can ebay.uk back up my data in San Jose Ca.?

With Trump in charge is it likely that the UK D.P.A will be allowed to look at who is doing what with my personal data?

leighbayuk

·8 months ago

@leighbayuk wrote:
All reasonable responses, although I did ask if they were using AI to process the IDs. They only responded that AI is not being trained on ID documents.

eBay's DPO finally came back to me about AI processing. Took them almost 2 months, but they said:

AI may be used as a tool during the verification process. These automated tools assist with checking the authenticity of submitted documents and supporting fraud-prevention and compliance obligations. Any automated assessment operates under strict controls, and actions that may affect your account are subject to human review.

Your ID document, and any personal information associated with it, is not used to train external AI models. Your document is processed solely for verification and compliance purposes and remains protected through encryption, access controls, and secure storage.

c_of_e84

·7 months ago

But we are regularly offered to switch to finger print or facial recognition during the log in process to ebay.

jeethee_0

·10 months ago

I read somewhere the threshold they use to trigger them asking for I.D. is 30 items a year or £7000.

I agree with the £7k as a trigger but not 30items. 30items could easily be low value to not exceed 7k.

4_bathrooms

·10 months ago

@jeethee_0 wrote:
I read somewhere the threshold they use to trigger them asking for I.D. is 30 items a year or £7000.

You're confusing the money laundering regulations - which is what this thread is about - with the digital sales reporting regulations. The latter has a legally defined threshold of 30 items and/or €2,000 (currently approx. £1,760) in a calendar year at which point eBay is obliged to request the seller's tax identifier (NINO or UTR).

The money laundering regulations' "know your customer" due diligence requirements require eBay to verify a seller's identity under certain circumstances. eBay has never published the threshold they use for new sellers but if certain details of an existing seller change (such as their name, address or financial details) the KYC checks will kick in even if the seller has previously verified their identity.

leighbayuk

·10 months ago

@4_bathrooms wrote:
The money laundering regulations' "know your customer" due diligence requirements require eBay to verify a seller's identity under certain circumstances. eBay has never published the threshold they use for new sellers but if certain details of an existing seller change (such as their name, address or financial details) the KYC checks will kick in even if the seller has previously verified their identity.

Some useful info in that link. Most of the reasons relate to business relationships and larger scale transactions. Of the possible reasons the only one that could potentially apply is:

when you have doubts about a customer’s identification information

But then they have verified bank account, credit card, phone number, NI number, etc. Seems overkill to me.

4_bathrooms

·10 months ago

@leighbayuk wrote:
Some useful info in that link. Most of the reasons relate to business relationships

As per the guidance:

"A business relationship is one that you enter into with a customer where both of you expect that the relationship will be ongoing. It can be a formal or an informal arrangement."

A "business relationship" means an ongoing B2B or B2C relationship.

@leighbayuk wrote:
Of the possible reasons the only one that could potentially apply is:
when you have doubts about a customer’s identification information
But then they have verified bank account, credit card, phone number, NI number, etc. Seems overkill to me.

Also:

"when it’s necessary for existing customers — for example, if their circumstances change"

Note that because you're not physically present when eBay carries out identification checks they must carry out "enhanced due diligence" checks. If you make any changes to your name, address or financial information the KYC checks will automatically kick in again. Another reason would be if your selling pattern suddenly changed; i.e. you went from an average of £1,000 in sales per month to £5,000. That said, I've only known eBay to perform KYC checks against business sellers in the latter scenario.

leighbayuk

·10 months ago

@4_bathrooms wrote:
Also:
"when it’s necessary for existing customers — for example, if their circumstances change"

I saw that too, but then when you read on, the example circumstances are:

a big change in the level or type of business activity
a change in the ownership structure of a business

Again, all very business focused. It seems like an over aggressive application of a policy to trigger this for small scale private sellers.

lucy_farmer

·10 months ago

'Again, all very business focused. It seems like an over aggressive application of a policy to trigger this for small scale private sellers.'

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Oh yes, sledgehammer to crack a nut.

But this particular sledgehammer method earns ebay interest on the held monies.

So, yeah. They're going to do it for the tiniest little reason they can think of...

Anonymous User

·10 months ago

its just a pretext to harvest everybodys data , safety is the fig leaf they use to justify the policies , sharing our data with dozens of global organisations and their staff is designed to keep us safe because our privacy is very important to ebay, facebook, Google , Paypal and Onlyfans

4_bathrooms

·10 months ago

@leighbayuk wrote:
@4_bathrooms wrote:
Also:
"when it’s necessary for existing customers — for example, if their circumstances change"
I saw that too, but then when you read on, the example circumstances are:
a big change in the level or type of business activity
a change in the ownership structure of a business
Again, all very business focused. It seems like an over aggressive application of a policy to trigger this for small scale private sellers.

This is the applicable section quoted verbatim:

"The changing circumstances of your customers

You need to keep up-to-date information on your customers so that you can:

update your risk assessment of a particular customer if their circumstances change
carry out further due diligence measures if necessary

Changes of circumstance may include:

a big change in the level or type of business activity
a change in the ownership structure of a business"

The first two points apply to all the regulated organisation's customers that are subject to KYC checks; not just businesses. Even where businesses are concerned the last two points are only given as examples.

If you change your name by deed poll your circumstances have changed as you are no longer legally identified by your previous name. If you change your address the address eBay previously verified is no longer valid for you. If you change your bank account or change any details recorded against your bank account then eBay's previous verification is no longer valid. Changing any of these details in your eBay account will automatically trigger eBay's KYC due diligence checks.

The FCA can fine organisations who fail to carry out their due diligence requirements under the money laundering regulations. For example, Barclays Bank was recently fined a total of £42M for failing to carry out the necessary due diligence checks against one of their customers. Although an extreme case you can guarantee eBay will over-comply with the MLRs; especially when there is the risk of a financial penalty hanging over their head for any failure to comply.

leighbayuk

·10 months ago

@4_bathrooms wrote:
This is the applicable section quoted verbatim:
"The changing circumstances of your customers

Surely the first two points are why they need to do it. The second two are examples of when.

I do not believe eBay have an individual risk assessment for each and every customer. Perhaps I should submit an SAR to see mine.

leighbayuk

·10 months ago

@jeethee_0 wrote:
I read somewhere the threshold they use to trigger them asking for I.D. is 30 items a year or £7000.

I have 40 orders (last one three weeks ago) and just a little over £2K (clear out before moving house).

The photo ID request and account freeze came in minutes after changing my address. Thankfully my balance is £0.

I'll report back if/when I receive a response from eBay's DPO.

Anonymous User

·10 months ago

my trigger request came when i wanted to remove an expired debit card , bank account sort code address not even changing, i only sold a very few low value items , nothing whatsoever should have been triggered , my debit card had simply expired , surely the system can be less petty in what gets flagged , if you sell hundreds of Rolex watches from a PO Box is one thing selling some second hand furniture does not make you a terrorist, or a money launderer , although our dats is already all over the place I am sick of constatnly being asked for it , its gone too far and needs to be reversed, would be interested to know if ebay is suffering a revenue decline as some people think enough is enough

department28

·10 months ago

'my trigger request came when i wanted to remove an expired debit card , bank account sort code address not even changing, i only sold a very few low value items , nothing whatsoever should have been triggered , my debit card had simply expired , surely the system can be less petty in what gets flagged..'

Will there be any escape from all this when we reach our own expiry dates, I wonder? These days, any portal to a better world will probably be manned by some ghostly twit asking for photo id... 'we need to make sure it's yoooo-whoo-hoo'... 👻

4_bathrooms

·10 months ago

@department28 wrote:
'my trigger request came when i wanted to remove an expired debit card , bank account sort code address not even changing, i only sold a very few low value items , nothing whatsoever should have been triggered , my debit card had simply expired , surely the system can be less petty in what gets flagged..'

Will there be any escape from all this when we reach our own expiry dates, I wonder? 👻

Visa and Mastercard have automatic card update systems (Visa Account Updater & Automated Billing Updater) in place where debit and credit card details are updated with merchants when a new card is issued. If a card has expired and a new one (for the same account) has been issued the card details held by the merchant (i.e. eBay) should automatically update without requiring any intervention from the user; this should negate any KYC checks.

However, if you do anything manually to update your card details that very likely will trigger eBay's KYC checks as will opting-out of VAU/ABU in the issuing bank's mobile app.

kh-david.f

·10 months ago

Ok, this thread seems to be getting off-track. Let's keep this focused on eBay's Photo ID policy. Personal attacks towards other members won't be tolerated.

leighbayuk

·10 months ago

Agreed. It was an interesting discussion on security versus privacy. But in this case, uploading government issued photo ID to eBay is not going to make the World a safer place. It will however increase the risk of identify fraud.

insidethe93

·10 months ago

leighbayuk wrote: "But in this case, uploading government issued photo ID to eBay is not going to make the World a safer place. It will however increase the risk of identify fraud."

Good point. When you have to provide photo ID, physically or digitally, to banks, insurers, councils, etc. they at least are regulated by the FCA. Is eBay regulated by the FCA? to the same degree? At the very least, does eBay explain how they'd keep your photo ID secure? for instance, who within eBay has access to it, how it's stored or shouldn't they delete it after verification? Let's not forget eBay is merely a shopping platform.

papso22

·10 months ago

Ebay is regulated by, and registered with, the FCA as a payment handling institution,

insidethe93

·10 months ago

papso22 wrote: "Ebay is regulated by, and registered with, the FCA as a payment handling institution."

Thanks, but that's just part of the story.

A quick google including looking up fca.org indicates that the FCA's oversight over eBay UK is mostly restricted to payment services (as per papso22) but not to marketplace operations nor to consumer protection outside financial transactions.

Major areas where the FCA doesn't regulate eBay include age verification checks for restricted goods, product safety, data protection (I hope/believe that's regulated by the ICO), and general marketplace. So I ask again: does eBay explain how they'd keep photo ID secure? for instance, who within eBay has access to it, how is it stored? Shouldn't they delete it after verification - do they? as it seems so far that eBay can and does basically whatever they alone see fit. Info and transparency from eBay on this subject could perhaps allay a lot of customer concern.

theelench

·10 months ago

It's simple really, the more sellers they are verifying and freezing their Held balances, the more money they can hold onto until the verification is complete.

4_bathrooms

·10 months ago

@insidethe93 wrote:

Major areas where the FCA doesn't regulate eBay include age verification checks for restricted goods, product safety, data protection (I hope/believe that's regulated by the ICO), and general marketplace. So I ask again: does eBay explain how they'd keep photo ID secure?

Their (lengthy) explanation can be found in the User Privacy Notice - photo ID is included under the remit of "personal data".

theelench

·10 months ago

From memory. The FCA was set up after several high profile mis-selling scandals. Endowment mortgages that didn't pay off the loans, PPL insurance to the self-employed when the small print specifically excluded them from claiming, there were probably more. These hit the reputation of the UK Financial Services Industry for reliability amongst consumers and its income.

The govt. set up the Financial Conduct Authority to regulate companies engaged in financial services, clean up providers and restore confidence. They do this by issuing Guidelines designed to ensure that consumers of the services are not disadvantaged by firms seeking to increase their profits by shady practices.

IMHO some of ebay's practices are definitely on the shady side and need firmer guidelines, or at least some pointed "discussions" between the FCA and .uk execs. to make it clear to them what the guidelines are and where ebay is on thin ice.

If they don't heed the guidelines the FCA can revoke ebay's licences to operate in the UK.

leighbayuk

·10 months ago

Ah, the classic nothing to hide argument.

Anonymous User

·10 months ago

privacy is a human right, most people are reasonably honest, we should not be treated as potential criminals , unfortunately many people are sheep and do not see the dangers ahead , they follow the arrows , its very disturbing , thankfully i am old now and have no children , very shocked by some of the comments here

fear-is-the-mind-ki11er

·10 months ago

Well said sir I'm the same I have no kids but thay don't no what there signing up for

leighbayuk

·10 months ago

Exactly, my concern is that this is a process they have just bolted onto their systems. I want to know more about where they are storing all these highly sensitive files. I was a member back in 2014 when they had a data breach which affected 145 million users.

https://www.twingate.com/blog/tips/ebay-data-breach

Anonymous User

·10 months ago

unfortunately Ebay have no interest in our opinions , highly likely that this is a co ordinated policy with the World Economic Forum , our concerns will be dismissed , they always are but at least we are capable of realising that all these dystopian policies are not designed in reality to keep us 'safe'

leighbayuk

·10 months ago

I just changed address and this seems to have triggered this photo ID request. Never had this before in 24 years of selling. I am witing to their DPO as I have concerns over the processing of this personal data.

DVLA explicitly advise against sharing a photo of your driving licence. This is why they provide a licence check service. Why are eBay not using this?
How will my photo ID be processed? The eBay privacy policy states that AI is used "To support fraud detection and compliance checks" and that they "use personal data collected from our users to train, test, validate, and align our own AI models as well as third-party AI models and systems".
Where will the file be stored (which geographic region, will it be transferred internationally)?
How long will it be retained? The eBay privacy policy states that "The specific retention periods for personal data are documented in our regional data retention guidelines". Where can I find this?

c_of_e84

·10 months ago

Once you hav uploaded the data theres no telling what will happen but thats not just ebay its everywhere.

theelench

·10 months ago

This morning I read an article (something to do with Dystopian Creep) about ICE / DHS in the US now using Facial Recognition on random people they stop, using the 'suspects' mobile phones to tap into databases containing 200 million I.Ds. From what I read it seems this in itself is unconstitutional in the US and not allowed without 'due cause' (whatever that may be).

I'm not saying that this sort of thing is happening / will happen in the UK, but I was shocked that the tech. is already here that enables them to do it.

I wondered which data bases they were 'tapping into', why 200 million faces were on them and why those 200 million people had put their photos on them ?

Edited: The article was by Raw Story. The title was "ICE agents now using ' pure dystopian creep' technology to nab people: watchdog.

cobwebcottage

·10 months ago

Facial recognition has been used in the UK for many years now by the Police and Government security services. It is linked to databases which will already have millions of photographs. PNC, DVLA, Immigration etc.

If you have nothing to hide then it will not affect you and only increase the security for the country. In my ideal world, everyone would be microchipped.

theelench

·10 months ago

I may have nothing to hide and be totally safe today, but what if some nutter becomes PM ten years from now and decides that any left-handed citizen is a threat to national security ? Too late to have second thought then.

leighbayuk

·10 months ago

Have you just leaked that your are left handed?

I'll add you to the database... 😉

theelench

·10 months ago

😮 Oops ............or perhaps it was a double bluff ?

cobwebcottage

·10 months ago

'Prevention is better than cure' to quote another cliche for @leighbayuk

The little person cannot stop the nutter as history shows but we can learn from it and try to make the country a safer place. Over our paygrades so we have to trust in the science.

theelench

·10 months ago

No, we certainly do not have to trust the science or the elites that deploy it.

That's why revolutions start. When the elite goes too far and millions of little people start muttering "Enough is enough".

E.G. The USA . Russia (twice)

Do I trust ebay .uk not to send my photo / NINO to California. No I don't so I won't give it. If you're happy to, good for you and you too could end up on one of the databases that ICE is thumbing through. Not so good if you go to the USA on holiday perhaps.

Anonymous User

·10 months ago

no we do not have to trust the 'science' we are not obliged to trust anybody

fear-is-the-mind-ki11er

·10 months ago

If you have nothing to hide ? In my ideal world, everyone would be microchipped. You are happy to be a tagged and chipped slave if you only new who in charge of the distopia.. imagine orwell 1984 in steroids that's what is planned if you bother to look into it

cobwebcottage

·10 months ago

Yes, no one will be interested in little old me going about doing my daily routine. But if there was a major incident nearby or someone attacked you or a member of your family, it would certainly help to identify who was around at the time.

Anonymous User

·10 months ago

its always interesting to see who considers such comments helpful

gbro1069

·10 months ago

This is the last straw for me as a seller for many years with 100% feedback.

To be treated like a child holding MY money until I meet their demands of allowing them access to my I.D.

I have removed all my listings.

I have removed my PayPal account.

I have cancelled my bank card so they have 0 access.

NOW I AM CLOSING MY ACCOUNT FOREVER.

LETS MAKE A STAND GUYS AND GIRLS.

I hope thousands of ebayers do the same.

c_of_e84

·10 months ago

From the pop ups I get they also want your finger prints.

gbro1069

·10 months ago

Hi, yes, I have had the same demand and my funds have been held.

I will call them shortly to see why ?

Cheers

Anonymous User

·10 months ago

please note that ebay pay people in India to monitor our content

indiekiduk

·10 months ago

I also have a 20 year old account or so. I made a very slight edit to the formatting of my registered address and now have been threatened my payments will be withheld if I don't upload photo ID. Of course it didn't say how long they would store the ID photo for and if it will be shared with 3rd party service.

Anonymous User

·10 months ago

yes i tried to remove an old bank card as a payment option and that seemed to trigger a demand for photo ID , i wonder if ebay are insured against loss of ID as its very dangerous and unnecessary for hundreds of millions of people to send sensitive documentation to a trading site , data loss is guaranteed and there is absolutely no guarantee that the company storing our data is trustworthy , its almost certainly being held overseas , this is an accident waiting to happen , my home address and ID match my banking details so surely thats enough , maybe some additional controls can be set for high value items but not for low value household items and bicycles etc , This is over reach but I can guarantee you they wont listen, my only hope is that maybe a major loss of revenue will encourage them to do the right thing but I doubt it , aggessive and threatening data demands are now the norm and are being encouraged by governments, hence the undemocratic and unwanted national ID taht will be a safety nightmare and its full steam ahead to 1984

papso22

·10 months ago

It's part of Ebay's responsibility under the Money Laundering regulations. It's called KYC as in Know Your Customer.

If you don't provide it you won't be able to continue selling and they may freeze your funds.

indiekiduk

·10 months ago

Yep but it's a lazy implementation of KYC that gives users unnecessary stress and could potentially cost ebay some users. A simple improvement would be, "are you sure you want to make this change? You will now be required to upload photo ID if you do. The photo of the ID will be deleted after it is checked".

Anonymous User

·10 months ago

some one is claiming that KYC should apply to everybody , there is absolutely no genuine reason why small sellers need to be accused of being involved in crimninal activity , i also dont understand why these sick policies need to be rolled out worldwide

Anonymous User

·1 year ago

yes , luckily this demand came at a time i had no outstanding payments , i alos think it may be illegal because if you pay somebody for an item then its ok the strict condition ebay will forward the payment ( minus fees) to the person you bought the item from

i sell very little on ebay , mostly just decluttering or surplus bicycles , however this corporate demand for personal data is part of a much broader and organised pattern of data harvesting which will lead to a social credit score , ebay have my email, phone number, address, my bank details match my account , picture id is unnecessary especially when you are selling low value items , also data breaches are now totally routine , i also dont trust ebay to manage my data safely especially since many ebay staff are working from home

0161nev123

·1 year ago

yes me too. i have sold a few hundred quid in last 2 months. they are now acting like the stazi. after uk tax changes called side hustle tax. they have all my details like you. they now have my NI number, and now they want photo ID, i dont like the sound of it. too much info over the airways. I am registered for self employment anyway, and put it all thro my accountant. my beef is being treated like a tax dodger. i,m 63 with serious illnesses, that have stopped me working in construction, on express demand by consultants. I have no income, i am not entitled to any benefits. and am living on meagre savings until i die of pverty, ive never been out of work since 1977, the nhs havent fixed me after 18 months, ive lost my livelyhood and my dignity, but thought i would try and turn a hobby into a small income, but with auction fees when buying at auction, then ebay fees, and now tax etc etc, ive lost money, this is what you get for trying. in answer to you, i,m right with you

stumor_98

·1 year ago

Ebay want photo ID from me, I refuse to give ebay photo ID, i signed up for ebay before they asked for this years and years ago, now they have purposely signed me out, and are know asking for me to sign in using their new photo ID, not going to happen, ebay you have lost yourself another ebay customer and seller.

myriad*seller

·1 year ago

It's nothing to do with ebay

This is international legislation - it is costing eBay a lot of money to collect all this information

They do it becuase they are legally required to do it, as are all other selling websites

eBay do not have a choice

So you are cutting off your nose to spite your face as the same laws apply wherever you sell, you will be required to prove your ID where ever you sell

stumor_98

·1 year ago

I don't care if I'm cutting off my nose to spite my face, I refuse to
backdown on this, and refuse to allow our government to turn us into a
Chinese state, because bottom line that's what's happening, We all know
cash is next, then you will own nothong and be happy. I'm happy to fall off
the grid.

lsld7191

·1 year ago

Well by law they are required to tell you this is happening and give you the option to opt out. Which I did under section 12 whilst talking to AI ebay customer service. When I asked the assistant where they had told me, thry refused to answer. Thry also did not answer where they'll were from or what they could see or access of my Dara from where they were. You accept that as ok? Good luck with your future.

They should not be able to hold funds that were already sold. Utter rubbish that it's costing Ebay. They hold your money and don't release it until you give they them data they can sell on and misuse. So making interest on our money and selling our Data.

daro2096

·1 year ago

Strange. I been buying and selling on eBay for 20 years now and I have never been asked to provide any photo ID. Not yet anyway.