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Is this scaremongering?

cee-dee — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:20:46 GMT

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34615621

One thing after another. "This" causes cancer, "that" causes cancer, "the other" causes cancer. Where's it gonna end?

The report hasn't been fully published yet but the headline scares are out.

As yet, there's no figures showing how many people they monitored to come up with the conclusion they did or over what period of time it was done or how many people in the study actually developed cancer. Also, there's (as yet) no conclusion of how many of those people would have developed cancer anyway or how such a study could have identified and eliminated those who'd develop the disease anyway, red meat or not.

I think it's highly irresponsible to rush in to print not only with the headlines but the report itself. Anyway, does anyone actually take any notice of such reports?

Lots of things we eat contain poison so should there be outrageously severe warnings about eating things like Apples and Almonds which contain Cyanide?

Re: Is this scaremongering?

tommy.irene — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 10:34:40 GMT

Bacon, ham and sausages are set to be classed alongside cigarettes, arsenic and asbestos as cancer-causing by global health experts. In a report to be published today by the World Health Organisation (WHO), processed meat is expected to be classed as "carcinogenic to humans", the highest of five possible rankings. Fresh red meat is also due to be judged as being bad for people's health. The World Cancer Research Fund (WCRF) has warned for a number of years that there is "strong evidence" that eating a lot of red meat can cause bowel cancer. One possible reason is the organic pigment that gives red meat its colour, known as haem, may damage the lining of the bowel.

Re: Is this scaremongering?

tommy.irene — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 10:37:21 GMT

I should be dead,, with all the meat i have eaten..http://news.sky.com/story/1576118/sausage-cancer-threat-highlighted-by-experts

Re: Is this scaremongering?

cee-dee — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:49:50 GMT

I think that the thing to remember if you're prone to accepting reports such as that being reported is that everything is "bad" for you and most things can cause cancer!

A sensible person would look at such reports and say "prove it". They'd also say that the truth of the matter is that just the processed meat on it's own would (or might) affect only some people!

How can you have any confidence in such things when they say:- "Meanwhile, it said red meats were "probably carcinogenic" but there was limited evidence."

Then they continue:- "Processed meat is meat that has been modified to increase its shelf-life or alter its taste - such as by smoking, curing or adding salt or preservatives.

It is these additions which could be increasing the risk of cancer." Note the word "could."

I wonder if the people who compile such stuff fall in to the category of pinch-faced, anorexic-looking people who're ill all the time and live on shredded cabbage, a handful of nuts and a bowl of Lentils?

Re: Is this scaremongering?

*.*..lola..*.* — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:58:52 GMT

LOL

I watched two different foodie programmes within days of each other.

The first one featured an experiment showing us why cooking with extra virgin olive oil was bad for you and the second one categorically stated that extra virgin olive oil was the healthiest oil to consume hmm!

Re: Is this scaremongering?

evoman3957 — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:27:01 GMT

Well it's not rocket science and with ALL this wonderful scientific information, we've been given, I've "cracked it" at last. Buy a giant "Hamster" wheel and install it in your living room, lock yourself in that and jog around it 24 / 7 and don't eat ANYTHING and you'll live FOREVER..............................oh and you'll probably be able to produce some clean, renewable energy; as a bonus..........SORTED !!

Re: Is this scaremongering?

Anonymous — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:51:19 GMT

Being happy is the best thing to avoid getting cancer or any illness really.

But inner happiness is often in short supply.

Re: Is this scaremongering?

astrologica — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 14:30:12 GMT

Evo.....brilliant idea. I have been saying for years that these treadmill wheels should be installed in every prison, connected to the National Grid. Prisoners could then be running on them for several hours a day, and giving something back to society. Oh....I forgot...prisoners have Human Rights.

Re: Is this scaremongering?

fallen-archie — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:46:34 GMT

Treadmills in prisons should be compulsory, it might reduce costs a bit providing they work shifts which correspond with peak electricity rates.

Now then I wish to comment on the desire to stop us all eating Bacon. Why is it that after years of pratling around with regulations on what you can use to cure the butty filling of choice now they tell us it is going to give us cancer. Where will it all end? Perhaps the answer lies in last nights countryfile. As we know pigs and cows are big eaters themselves but they give off huge quantities of methane gas which in turn may be a serious participant in both climate change and air quality, so were they to be resigned to the scrap heap leaving just a few representitives in rare breed parks you could kill two or even three birds with one stone. It would of course require us humans to change our diet, Last night we were introduced to an improved strain of broccoli not only will this provide important nutrition it will also reduce cholesterol, with selected pulses and lentils to give a varied menu we could all live healthier lives. More studies are needed to assess the amount of Gas humans would emit were this diet to become compulsory but with technical advance in gas capture we could all become net beneficiaries from the sale of this valuable commodity. Specialists who provide high quality product would become National fartisans whilst poor producers would earn the title Bags of wind.

Re: Is this scaremongering?

cee-dee — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 18:41:11 GMT

Hmmmmmm, methinks you're just itching to sing your version of that massive hit everyone knows so well, "I want to break wind".............

On a more scientific note, we have the supercharged Tomato:- (By the way, do you say "toh-mah-to" or "toh-may-to"?)

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/supercharged-gm-tomato-day-could-keep-doctor-bay-100009216.html#HqolWOT

Re: Is this scaremongering?

fallen-archie — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:03:06 GMT

Fine choice of anthem, please sing along using the amende lyrics

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tommy.irene — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:03:41 GMT

Breakfast

Re: Is this scaremongering?

cee-dee — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:13:51 GMT

I've never understood why some (wannabe?) commedian hasn't dreamed up a song with some "modified" lyics by now?

Re: Is this scaremongering?

evoman3957 — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:19:36 GMT

What you mean like:

I want to break wind for the first time

So this time I'll know it's for real

God knows

God knows I want to break wind

From a wannabe ( unpaid ) commedian

Re: Is this scaremongering?

fallen-archie — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:21:12 GMT

Far be it from me to encourage such gay abandon in behavioral terms, but here's one that did get the treatment, Lyrics available for those who care to look

Re: Is this scaremongering?

cee-dee — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:42:46 GMT

Yes, I know that one but they only got the audience to shout "who the **** is Alice". The one by Chubby Brown isn't much cop.

Evo, stick the the Evo 10, don't give up the day job

Re: Is this scaremongering?

cee-dee — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:54:06 GMT

I want to break wind.
I want to break wind past my piles

I'm so bloated up I don't need it
I've got to break wind
God knows, God knows I want to break wind.

Re: Is this scaremongering?

cee-dee — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:56:42 GMT

Now, after our amusing little excursion in to the realms of music, can we get back to the subject matter and what about those Tomatoes? BBL

Re: Is this scaremongering?

fallen-archie — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:26:18 GMT

GM has a long way to go and I wonder if we will ever see the potential while obsessed with the pitfalls real and imagined. For me the problem is that the changes made through creating new hybrids designed to look good, travel well, last longer etc have seriously compromised flavour. Tomatoes particularly cherry/salad types are a good example, many are tasteless and disgusting, same with Peaches which bare no resemblance to the ones I remember. So will gm suffer the same fate? I suspect it will unless the taste factor gets some attention. If all we get is a fruit or vegetable that tastes like covonia I for one will pass.

Re: Is this scaremongering?

023mjc — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:29:48 GMT

If we stopped doing all the things that are supposed to be killing us, I don't believe we'd live any longer at all. It would just seem like a long time.