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JFK .... 50 years on.

blackburn_stevie — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 01:16:06 GMT

Previously unseen footage of the shooting has been released using the 50 year rule.

Claims are being made that the headwound was caused by a shot from the driver of the presidential limo.

Here's a link to the video.

http://tinyurl.com/o5pzx7l

What do you think?

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mepixin12 — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 08:02:56 GMT

Don't see it myself, if the footage is clean "not tampered with" that is.

The driver would have to have his arm well up in the air and pointing back and to his right to get the second shot, going by what is visible in this footage, of the bullets trajectory.

Hm dury's out for me.... I don't think we will ever have the truth.

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bankhaunter — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 09:48:02 GMT

Those who think there was a conspiracy will continue to do so.

Those who don't, won't.

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cee-dee — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 10:10:09 GMT

Following on from Bank's comment, there are those who, when faced with a black wall would still argue that it wasn't black!

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cee-dee — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 23:40:32 GMT

Has anyone ever seen the "reconstruction" where a car was mocked up to be exactly the same as the JFK Lincoln Continental and fitted with ballistic heads? They constructed a shooting position at the same elevation as the window in the book depository, used the same rifle and ammo as used by LHO, "drove" the limo at the same speed and had fans providing the same wind speed and shot at the same distance as LHO.

The "blood and tissue" splatter was identical to that from JFK even to that which was projected backwards. That bit gave the lie to "theories" that a shot or shots were fired from in front of the car. Even the original witness sceptics were surprised at the results so all claims that shots were fired from any place other than the window in the book depository are, to coin a phrase "out of the window".

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the-geezer — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 21:22:57 GMT

Some people just don't want it to be, do they.

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blackburn_stevie — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:23:16 GMT

CD .... That's all very well until you are told that a marksman fired the shots from the mock up and that LHO was classed as "Lower than average" at marksman skills in the Marines and that a person of his calibre (pardon the pun) would not have been expected to make that shot at a standing target, never mind multiple hits at a moving target.

As far as I'm concerned, the book is still open.

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saasher2012 — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:46:43 GMT

On that basis, it was more than probable that's why three shots were taken , if you study the PM pictures & results it becomes more clear ! On saying that if it is to be believed even they were doctored& some went missing?

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cee-dee — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 23:11:01 GMT

Oswald qualified as "Sharpshooter" and later his qualification fell to "Marksman".

In the reconstruction, they used a shooter with similar ability to Oswald.

If you've tried shooting at moving targets, you'll know that the degree of difficulty is greatest when the target is moving across your field of vision (90º) and the difficulty reduces as the angle reduces.

Oswald was shooting at such a reduced angle that the degree of difficulty was in his favour to make the shot(s).

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charliebird123 — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 00:55:44 GMT

I'm not convinced LHO was the assassin,good telly last night JFK's secret killer, makes me more confused.

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saasher2012 — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:39:33 GMT

America has a record of shooting its Presidents, most countries have our own included. JFK, was young ,handsome, wealthy& a gifted politician, everything most ordinary americans are not, many theories have been put forward but if JFK private colourful life is to be believed he could have been removed from office without the drastic measure of being killed as Clinton learned to his cost, wealth & power bring envy! The Kennedy family has had its fair share of mishaps even now!. Guns & envy are not a good mix especially in the hands of someone who is not mentally stable!

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cee-dee — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:40:06 GMT

It seems to me that no matter WHAT the subject, no matter what evidence is produced, there are those who WANT to believe anything but a rational explanation.

Challenged to produce any solid evidence to the contrary, all we get is waffle and "I don't believe it".

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right-then-petal — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 11:05:51 GMT

the list of people wanting him dead is endless,

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saasher2012 — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 11:30:35 GMT

Wanting& Doing is another matter! Another point to consider if i may, if a bullet hits you in the back it wont always exit via the opposite site, it has to go through muscle tissue, bones&vital organs often being deflected distorting the bullet & causing a massive damage on its way out. I also put the case , if its a conspiracy it was a badly executed one, i for one would want a heck of amount of money & a foolproof way of getting away with it before i would attempt this sort of venture, no evidence that i know of has been put forward .

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cee-dee — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:00:52 GMT

Quite, all they come up with is ill-thought-out theories.

It was astonishing to see the blood/bone/tissue splatter from the ballistic heads which behaved exactly the same as that from JFK.

Like you say, you'd think that everything would be projected in the direction in which the bullet's travelling but that's not so, some of the debris from the head was projected back over the trunk (the boot) in exactly the same way as from poor JFK.

In the film shot of the actual shooting, poor Jackie was scrambing back over the trunk trying to retrieve part of JFK's head which is why some people thought shots were fired from in front of the car.

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tommy.irene — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:01:29 GMT

Do you know there was a man who was nailed to a cross untill he died... then 3 days later he got up and walked again and people are still talking about it. and that took place 1000 years ago. They wrote a book about it.

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saasher2012 — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:23:52 GMT

Yes CD, you are right the horrific stills show the effect a bullet makes as it hits it target, not to be to gory the splatter was in fact mainly brain tissue& as it was only seen from one side you don't get the full effect . It goes up, out, backwards & forwards, in essence the bullet entered the skull & ripped the head open, I believe poor Jackie in a state of shock was collecting her husbands brains in the vain hope of saving him.Forensic pathology answers many questions!

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saasher2012 — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:27:11 GMT

Very good point Tommy, & do you know there's even conspiracy theories about that as well?

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cee-dee — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:30:00 GMT

I think the backwards projection was caused by the impact velocity causing so much displacement within (the remains of) the skull that some was forced out through the entry "hole" taking with it some of the already broken pieces of the skull.

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saasher2012 — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 13:06:19 GMT

Correct! I can't remember can you which bullet hit JFK & then also hit the Vice President ,was it the back or the throat hit?